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Automatik 08-06-2015 18:59

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Originally Posted by Geranium Terrorists (Post 2645740)
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Controversial, I know. Found That Soul is a fine song but in my opinion hardly comparable in quality to most of the singles that went before it.

Geranium Terrorists 08-06-2015 20:04

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Originally Posted by Automatik (Post 2645742)
Controversial, I know. Found That Soul is a fine song but in my opinion hardly comparable in quality to most of the singles that went before it.

True... definitely agree on SWSS. Though they were still very successful!

Automatik 08-06-2015 20:15

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Originally Posted by Geranium Terrorists (Post 2645758)
True... definitely agree on SWSS. Though they were still very successful!

They were - indeed, FTS (highest British chart position: 9) and SWSS (highest: 8) charted higher than The Everlasting (11) and Tsunami (11). The Love Of Richard Nixon reached number 2, as did Your Love Alone.

I recall Nicky saying Indian Summer - which I love, by the way! - was chosen as a single solely because it sounded like ADFL. It reached number 22.

Of course, all this grumbling raises an interesting question: which tracks should have been chosen as singles after TIMTTMY? I've already proposed Europa Geht Durch Mich (the most obvious candidate, I would have thought) - but which others?

Son of Stopped 08-06-2015 22:19

I love "So Why So Sad" as I feel it was the last great Christmas single we never had before Cowell's Clowns kept taking the spot.
"Baby Elian" would have been an interesting single but would have burnt their fingers even more than the Cuba trip!

"1985" should have been the lead single.
No problem with YLAINE or even "Underdogs" th
Even INWJTEOL was a good pop-rock piece.
I think it's only SMTW that could have been a better choice.

hummingbird 08-06-2015 22:48

SWSS and FTS were the first singles off KYE that's why they charted top 10

MoMoney MoJunk 08-06-2015 23:56

Found That Soul is amazing (I voted it number 1 in the Manics Chart recently too!). So Why So Sad was an odd choice I always thought, but KYE is a very odd album. There aren't too many natural singles actually when you think about it.

1985 should have been the lead single from Lifeblood. Or at least a single.

Imperial Bodybags would have been a great single from SATT. But I think Your Love Alone was a good choice for lead.

It's Not War is pretty naff. The video was kinda cool though. It's the only album I dislike, but Postcards From a Young Man itself is a fantastic song.

30 Year War could have been great for RTF, but I guess it isn't a good reflection on the album as a whole... but then neither is Show Me The Wonder! But still, no complaints there.

I agree about Europa Geht Durch Mich - should have been lead single. It's just so good.

Porco 09-06-2015 11:32

Europa GDM might not have been an official single, but it got a separate, pre-album release with its own artwork, which is pretty much all a 'single' often is these days anyway!

Automatik 09-06-2015 12:29

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645790)
Found That Soul is amazing (I voted it number 1 in the Manics Chart recently too!). So Why So Sad was an odd choice I always thought, but KYE is a very odd album. There aren't too many natural singles actually when you think about it.

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Originally Posted by Son of Stopped (Post 2645777)
I love "So Why So Sad" as I feel it was the last great Christmas single we never had before Cowell's Clowns kept taking the spot.
"Baby Elian" would have been an interesting single but would have burnt their fingers even more than the Cuba trip!

I emphasise that the question isn't whether FTS or SWSS are good songs - they are - but whether or not they made good singles. They charted well enough (top ten, although something of a drop from the number one that Masses achieved), and I am sure the band wanted to use them to demonstrate the musical breadth of KYE, but at the time, after Masses, they felt - at least to me - rather underwhelming as singles.

Ocean Spray, Let Robeson Sing, Intravenous Agnostic (this in hindsight) and Freedom Of Speech Won't Feed My Children are in my view the most 'natural' singles from that very mixed bag - the latter mainly because the band seemed to consider it one of the 'bigger' songs on KYE (plus it had Kevin Shields on guitar).

I still find it utterly bizarre that Masses wasn't included on KYE (well, outside of Japan) - it would have fit perfectly.

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645790)
1985 should have been the lead single from Lifeblood. Or at least a single.

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Originally Posted by Son of Stopped (Post 2645777)
"1985" should have been the lead single.

Completely agree. This must be pretty much indisputable now. I'd liked to have seen Litany as a single too (which was originally the plan).

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645790)
It's Not War is pretty naff. The video was kinda cool though. It's the only album I dislike, but Postcards From a Young Man itself is a fantastic song.

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Originally Posted by Son of Stopped (Post 2645777)
No problem with YLAINE or even "Underdogs" th
Even INWJTEOL was a good pop-rock piece.

My view is that YLAINE and INWJTEOL were essentially two versions of the same attempt at a (record company-recommended?) marketable radio-friendly chart-topper. I remember liking YLAINE a lot when it came out, but I feel it's aged terribly since then; It's Not War, by contrast, is still okay. I don't feel either is the Manics' best work.

I find it very hard to propose alternative singles from PFAYM and RTF. My favourite track by far from the PFAYM era is actually a b-side (Red Rubber), and my favourite from RTF is rather unoriginal, having been built on a royalty-begging Max Richter sample (Tokyo Skyline).

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Originally Posted by Porco (Post 2645805)
Europa GDM might not have been an official single, but it got a separate, pre-album release with its own artwork, which is pretty much all a 'single' often is these days anyway!

Good to see plenty of love for Europa Geht Durch Mich and consensus that it should have been/essentially was a single.

MoMoney MoJunk 09-06-2015 13:18

Freedom of Speech has a real DIY sound, which to me is excellent, but I'm not sure it would have translated well as a single! They would have probably got top 3 or even number 1 if they'd just released one lead single rather than two. Weren't FTS and SWSS only separated by 20 sales?

Automatik 09-06-2015 13:38

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645822)
Freedom of Speech has a real DIY sound, which to me is excellent, but I'm not sure it would have translated well as a single!

It's a great song. The band must have just decided against making it a single. Incidentally, I doubt the record company vetoed it as a single - Masses was spectacularly successful with essentially the same theme, and although the lines about the Dalai Lama, the Beastie Boys and fucking from Paris to Beijing might have had a few at Epic laughing nervously, Revol and Faster both made it to singles.

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645822)
They would have probably got top 3 or even number 1 if they'd just released one lead single rather than two. Weren't FTS and SWSS only separated by 20 sales?

Something like it. It was a gimmick they probably hadn't thought through in any case. I seem to recall the FTS video - the night vision one - got scarcely any play relative to the SWSS video too.

Automatik 09-06-2015 13:53

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Originally Posted by MoMoney MoJunk (Post 2645790)
Imperial Bodybags would have been a great single from SATT. But I think Your Love Alone was a good choice for lead.

Apologies for not responding to this.

I agree Imperial Bodybags would have made a wonderful single (and statement), but alas of late we live in an all too censorious age. I could see it being branded all sorts of things by latter-day Mary Whitehouses in the media, and I doubt the band in 2007 (just coming out of the Lifeblood doldrums) would have had the stomach for the controversy and 'how dare you' tabloid-stoked scandal.

mrdavidj 09-06-2015 14:45

Texts from my mum

"Just watching manics (on iPlayer), are all their concerts as good as that one?"

"I walked to work with Motorcycle Emptiness going round in my head"

I may have pointed out that there are numerous bootlegs on the music drive...

Automatik 09-06-2015 16:39

Whilst preparing a thread on remixes it just occurred to me that Europa Geht Durch Mich must have originally been planned as a single as it was afforded the two remixes by Erol Alkan.

As Futurology was also afforded a remix (by R. Seiliog), we can conjecture that either a) Walk Me To The Bridge wasn't originally intended to be a single; or b) Futurology and Europa Geht Durch Mich were planned as the only two singles; or c) three singles from Futurology were planned, but these were later reduced to two.

mrdavidj 09-06-2015 18:29

Person at work: "why do I suddenly have Steps in my head"

Me: it's not war just the end of love appears in my head...

hummingbird 09-06-2015 19:31

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Originally Posted by mrdavidj (Post 2645836)
Texts from my mum

"Just watching manics (on iPlayer), are all their concerts as good as that one?"

"I walked to work with Motorcycle Emptiness going round in my head"

I may have pointed out that there are numerous bootlegs on the music drive...

If your mum liked that she needs to see their last T in the park appearance... I wanted to climb into the TV ... Think it was the last one .. time tends to blur into one these days


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