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Old 28-01-2019, 18:10
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Originally Posted by handbag View Post
I would prefer no choice
One bread, one milk, one food, that's all
I'm confused, I only want one truth
I really don't mind being lied to

on All Is Vanity

and

That shadow is a cross okay
Judgment must willing today
Silence is not sacrifice
Crucifixion is the easy life

from Doors Closing Slowly
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Originally Posted by Red View Post
Just about the whole thing is a bit of a hodge-podge of his lyrics.

I would like, I would prefer no choice,
Just one bread, one milk, one food for all,
I'm confused I only want one truth,
I really don't mind being lied to,
Don't mind being lied to...


are definitely his, and were recycled for All Is Vanity as

I would prefer no choice
One bread, one milk, one food, that's all
I'm confused, I only want one truth
I really don't mind being lied to



The second verse is also his -

The shadow is, the shadow is a cross okay,
But judgement must, judgement must be willing today,
SIlence is not sacrifice, crucifixion the easy life,
Crucifixion the easy life...


and was reused for (or taken from?) Doors Closing Slowly's chorus,
Thank you both! I knew that line in particular was familiar, but truth be told, I haven't heard Picturesque in ages and I haven't really listened to JFPL in full in a while.

I find it really suspect as to why Richey wasn't credited as a songwriter on Picturesque. Why wasn't this noted when JFPL came out?

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth M View Post
There’s no way Richey will be remembered widely for anything but his troubles and disappearance, especially because he was never really famous for anything else. That may do an injustice to him as an individual or as an artistic talent, but it’s human nature.
Exactly! I think to a lot of the Manics fan base, he is appreciated for his wit, cynicism, lyrics and artistic eye (to some he's also appreciated for his looks), but in terms of the wider world of music and pop culture in general, he's really only known for his self harm and his disappearance. Even then, in some places like where I'm from, most people don't even know he existed.

I found it rather odd that the author interviewed for that piece in Wales Online, suggested that Richey wasn't as famous as Kurt Cobain because nobody knows what his fate was. That's ridiculous! The reality is, he's not as famous as Kurt Cobain because he was never as successful as Cobain. It has nothing to do with the fact that Cobain - to be rather blunt - left a body.


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Originally Posted by Elizabeth M View Post
As for the book, it could be interesting, but to me it doesn’t seem there's any question as to whether or not Richey staged his disappearance. I think it has always been pretty obvious that he staged it. The questions is what happened to him afterwards.
Yep! I think most people definitely always knew it was planned and staged. I mean, if you know the story, it's pretty obvious.

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Originally Posted by Routine Builder View Post
I have severe doubts that the band would just pilfer the leftover lyrics for a free EP.
I don't think they would either, but why isn't he credited for those lines?

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Originally Posted by Velocitygirl View Post
I'd be interested to know where this story about "Vivian" came from and how they know she was in his hotel room. All the more intriguing because they seemt to be relating a verbatim conversation that was supposed to have happened between her and Richey. I forget the wording, but it was something along the lines of him trying to give her his passport, adding that he wouldn't be needing it anymore.

How do they know there was a woman in his hotel room? How do they know about a convo they had? That all seems like such a stretch to me. And, really, wtf is the point in him giving her his passport? What conceivable use would she have for it?
Right?! Hopefully they'll cite their sources for this info, but it's strange that no one has ever mentioned he had company in his room that evening. Perhaps it was a rumour started by some of the fans. I remember at the time that there were a lot of fans coming forward claiming to have had an encounter with him just before he split and a few days after. Some were probably legit while others were likely hoaxes.

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Originally Posted by Velocitygirl View Post
I think I heard somewhere that she wasn't happy about his lyrics being used in Journal.
Around 2009, someone popped up on this forum claiming to be Rachel and writing really nasty things about the band in reference to them using his lyrics for JFPL. At the time I think we all assumed this person was full of shit, but now, I'm not so sure. From what I remember of that member's rant, it sounded like they were accusing the band of pressuring the father into allowing the use of the lyrics. Still, I think her issues with them go back earlier than that though. If you read the Times review of the book, they even mention that she indeed has issues with them and those issues seem to stem from a few things including them not doing enough when he first went missing. Probably blames them for not doing enough for him when he was ill too.

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free View Post
I think the rift came from the sense that the band accelerated Richey's issues. I think Nicky has mentioned this himself over the years. I'm sure the thought is there if he had never joined the Manics, he would be still around. And that's a plausible argument.
I think that's a plausible argument too, but I'm not sure how the band can be faulted for that. I don't think they forced him to be in the band. He was an adult and made his own decisions.


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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free View Post
I also do wonder if the success of the band makes his sister feel that they profited from it. And you could argue that they have profited. The Manics have always been about rock n'roll mythology, and Richey's disappearance, the book he left behind etc etc is building up that myth. What if Richey just left in 1995? What would have happened? They wouldn't have had that emotional wave to ride on to produce an album like EMG. With a song like DFL it would have still been successful, but it wouldn't have been the same album.
Listen, I love the band, but they 100% profited from both his self harm and his disappearance. The thing is though, Richey was totally complicit in this so again, you can't really fault them. It's not like they exploited something he himself wasn't exploiting already.

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Originally Posted by almostfamous View Post
...find it somewhat counter productive to aim to reclaim Richey from his Rock N Roll mythology whilst referring to him as "Richey Manic" in the title!?!
Based on what I've read elsewhere about this book, that seems to be a bone of contention among a lot of fans. Not only calling him "Richey Manic", but also the photo they've chosen to use. I guess, even when you have the best of intentions, you still realize that his mythology is what is going to sell the book at the end of the day.
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