the lyrics editing...

[pennyroyalty]

Originally Posted by chinaboatman

So sure of the self evident truth of what you write and yet all such subjective pish...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

[Phil C]

Originally Posted by chinaboatman

So sure of the self evident truth of what you write and yet all such subjective pish...

I find it rather funny you can write that about someone else considering some of the things you've said in this thread, and the tone in which you've said them.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by twmlyn

i wonder if richey would have been part of the editing process in the past and fought for certain things to stay in the songs. i read somewhere that some of the lyrics in thb made some of the other band mates a bit uncomfortable, and i wonder if this time, without richey being around, meant that lyrics that would have been in the songs if he'd been around got cut out this time. but i imagine it would be impossible, especially in a song like william's last words, to tell which ones would have been the most important to Richey.

i think they've done a great tribute to him with this work, as the songs did have to be edited in one way or another.

Yeah, agree. I disagree with Chinaboatman about tunes or whatever being lifted from from other songs. Yes they're very similar but to me they don't sound exactly the same.

[Bought In]

Originally Posted by chinaboatman

Spot on. They've jsut gone with the first tune that worked with whatever line or verse they were trying to write for.

They're not denying that though, in terms of the music anyway. James has made much of the fact that he wanted to work on the songs as little as possible, not in terms of being lazy, but to keep them fresh. That's probably the reason people liken JPFL to alot of b-sides from different era's, it's the lack of polishing which is JPFL's greatest strength.

[Lydia]

Originally Posted by twmlyn

i wonder if richey would have been part of the editing process in the past and fought for certain things to stay in the songs. i read somewhere that some of the lyrics in thb made some of the other band mates a bit uncomfortable, and i wonder if this time, without richey being around, meant that lyrics that would have been in the songs if he'd been around got cut out this time. but i imagine it would be impossible, especially in a song like william's last words, to tell which ones would have been the most important to Richey.

i think they've done a great tribute to him with this work, as the songs did have to be edited in one way or another.

I don't know about with Richey, but I remember Nicky saying that if James doesn't want to use one of his lyrics, he just won't.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Quite right too. He has to sing them after all!

[Bobafettish]

I'm glad we were spared the line "three strikes yr out-execution- pizza"

[MentalBeat]

I only realised the other day, after the old sitcom Goodnight Sweetheart started on some Sky channel or other, that a few of the lines from Williams Last Words were taken from that old wartime song.

Goodnight sweetheart, all my prayers are for you
Goodnight sweetheart, I'll be watching o'er you
Tears and parting may make us forlorn
But with the dawn a new day is born
So I'll say goodnight sweetheart, sleep will banish sorrow
Goodnight Sweetheart, when we meet tomorrow
Dreams enfold you, in them, dear, I'll hold you
Goodnight sweetheart goodnight.

Goodnight sweetheart, all my prayers are for you
Goodnight sweetheart, I'll be watching o'er you
Tears and parting may make us forlorn
But with the dawn a new day is born
So I'll say goodnight sweetheart, sleep will banish sorrow
Goodnight sweetheart, when we meet tomorrow
Dreams enfold you, in them, dear, I'll hold you
Goodnight sweetheart goodnight.

Though of course in Richey's version dreams leave and die rather than enfold you.

[bachelorette]

Originally Posted by MentalBeat

I only realised the other day, after the old sitcom Goodnight Sweetheart started on some Sky channel or other, that a few of the lines from Williams Last Words were taken from that old wartime song.

Goodnight sweetheart, all my prayers are for you
Goodnight sweetheart, I'll be watching o'er you
Tears and parting may make us forlorn
But with the dawn a new day is born
So I'll say goodnight sweetheart, sleep will banish sorrow
Goodnight Sweetheart, when we meet tomorrow
Dreams enfold you, in them, dear, I'll hold you
Goodnight sweetheart goodnight.

Goodnight sweetheart, all my prayers are for you
Goodnight sweetheart, I'll be watching o'er you
Tears and parting may make us forlorn
But with the dawn a new day is born
So I'll say goodnight sweetheart, sleep will banish sorrow
Goodnight sweetheart, when we meet tomorrow
Dreams enfold you, in them, dear, I'll hold you
Goodnight sweetheart goodnight.

Though of course in Richey's version dreams leave and die rather than enfold you.

That's an interesting find, thanks for pointing it out!

[SHR]

Originally Posted by Bought In

I don't want to come off as richey fanatic here but I find the way the lyrics were edited absolutely horrific. I wasn't expecting everything to be verbatim but it does seem that the Wire really fucked up on his one. Journal for Plague Lovers is the best example, it seems like only a fraction ended up on the song and by reading the real lyrics you get a completely different feel, something along the lines of archives of pain 2: the bludgening. The lyrics aren't anymore unmelodious than anything on the holy bible so I don't understand why they made a concious effort to dilute them especially when they weren't even planning to push the album 'commercially' (despite the mass amount of radio/tv interviews).

I still think JPFL is a great album but the editing has me feeling conflicted, it's as if they are richey's lyrics the way Wire thought he should of wrote them...

Wire turned William's Last Word's into a love song for himself. He friggin' wishes!

[hummingbird]

Just re-read the whole thread. The band must be quietly terrified after every new release