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Old 13-02-2008, 14:00
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Sell how many though - i really doubt it would be enough for sony to want to bother with all the trouble....
i doubt it would be that expensive to remaster the old albums and collect all the b-sides (and maybe some unreleased stuff) onto a second CD.
It'd hardly set the album charts on fire but it'd sell enough to be worthwhile. Like most artists the manics have a core fanbase that will by pretty much any release (myself included).
I would've said that Lipstick Traces was more of a 'risk' than a remastered album and that seemed to work out ok.
I think remastered albums are more of a long term investment for the record company and a good way to bump the back catalogue back into people's consciousness
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It's all well and good saying that Nicky just loves doing things like this, but he certainly didn't compile Forever Delayed with anyone other than casual fans in mind and if we did a poll I suspect the most requested remastered album would be GT by some distance.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't buy GT - period
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Old 13-02-2008, 14:03
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Sell how many though - i really doubt it would be enough for sony to want to bother with all the trouble....
you must agree at least that they both need remastering though? They must still be selling at the moment or they would've been deleted.
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Old 13-02-2008, 14:08
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The Holy Bible at the time sold hardly anything and with KYE and Lifeblood bombing you could argue they were mad at the time to rerelease THB and EMG cos no one cared about the manics anymore. Now that people remember who they are and with a lot of bands re-releasing special versions of albums why shouldn't the manics? Especially when they have a huge amount of extras to add
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Old 14-02-2008, 15:06
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Reissues are a great way to attrct new fans, especially when the band has a big back catalogue. I'm currently working my way through Pavement's discography thanks to the new versions of their albums.

I think GT has enough interest to be reissued. Songs like Motorcycle Emptiness, You Love Us and Motown Junk (surely this would be on an expanded version?) are well known and the album always gets mentioned alongside that '20 million copies then split' thing. I'm sure most reviews would take the "here's the Manics back when they were worth listening to" approach but what can you do? GATS probably wouldn't be worth reissuing by itself but if it was done on the same day as GT it could do a good job of riding the coat-tails.
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Old 15-02-2008, 19:04
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Hmmm....Don't think this is such a good idea. Generation Terrorists - Yes. Holy Bible - Yes. Everything Must Go - Yes. The others didn't make so much of a critical or commercial impact initially compared to the three listed so I don't feel they merit 10th anniversary editions.
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Old 15-02-2008, 21:26
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Hmmm....Don't think this is such a good idea. Generation Terrorists - Yes. Holy Bible - Yes. Everything Must Go - Yes. The others didn't make so much of a critical or commercial impact initially compared to the three listed so I don't feel they merit 10th anniversary editions.
uhm, this is my truth is their most commercially successful album, and is a lot of critics' favourites, as well as many fans'.

generation terrorists did badly, and only deranged hardcore fans like it.

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It's all well and good saying that Nicky just loves doing things like this, but he certainly didn't compile Forever Delayed with anyone other than casual fans in mind and if we did a poll I suspect the most requested remastered album would be GT by some distance.
well, it'd be a bit shit making a greatest hits album for the aforementioned hardcore fans, because they'd have all the songs..
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Old 15-02-2008, 21:31
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[QUOTE=StrawberryWine;1292982] is a lot of critics' favourites, as well as many fans'.

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I don't think that's true. The album they won all the awards for was EMG. As for fans, it was the casual fans fave perhaps, but fave album for Manics fans is far more diverse.
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Old 15-02-2008, 22:05
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well, it'd be a bit shit making a greatest hits album for the aforementioned hardcore fans, because they'd have all the songs..
Well exactly. For a start it was a greatest hits, therefore you put your greatest hits on, not a load of obscure tracks that only hardcore fans would have heard of anyway.....

If it was a best of, that might be different - and maybe they'll release one, one day, but i can't see how anyone could criticise the song choices on FD really. Those are their big hits, their best selling singles.

How can you say TIMT didn't make a commercial impact? It sold vastly more and made a far larger commerical impact than GT and THB, probably put together.
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Old 15-02-2008, 22:15
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If it was a best of, that might be different - and maybe they'll release one, one day, but i can't see how anyone could criticise the song choices on FD really. Those are their big hits, their best selling singles.
Well, personally, I think the only big problem with FD's tracklisting itself is that there's only one song from KYE and THB. I know I know, many people think KYE is dodgy and the singles from either of the albums didn't really blow off the roof, but I do think it's kinda cheap to only give one track from each, it's like brushing off an era almost completely.

But yeah, otherwise the choices are pretty understandable.
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Old 15-02-2008, 22:18
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Maybe, but they weren't exactly hits compared to the others...guess found that soul or ocean spray should have been there. But as to holy bible hits, she is suffering is a bit meh, and they hate revol, and there were no other singles, so looking purely at singles it makes sense.

I don't think it's needed, but I think I would have prefered a best of.
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Old 15-02-2008, 22:21
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Maybe, but they weren't exactly hits compared to the others...
Indeed. It's mainly just a pet peeve anyway, I like it when compilations give an even view on all the group's albums. Best of > greatest hits.
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Old 16-02-2008, 01:08
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I do hope this goes ahead in the vain hope that we finally get to hear this fabled Tsunami demo!

I'm surprised that nobody so far has appeared to take the (perhaps too cynical) view that the band are trying to 'use up' their contract with sony? I remember a while back, I think prior to the commercial success of SATT, some people on the forum suggesting this reissue went ahead as a way of the band freeing themselves from sony for a new label as bands (are tied into 5album deals etc). Admittedly I haven't been able to frequent FD as much as I used to be able to so perhaps I'm slightly out of touch, but I think I also remember a snippet of an interview with Sean (noted for the fact that Sean said something!, especially something quite powerful) about the band taking new directions and being free of labels?

Maybe I might have taken such a view back then, before we realised that sony were far more committed to pushing SATT than LB. That is, if any of what I've thunked about actually transpired or was just heresay or indeed not actually just the product of my current sleep deprived mind... I did try searching for the sean quote but alas found nothing.
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Old 16-02-2008, 01:22
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I do hope this goes ahead in the vain hope that we finally get to hear this fabled Tsunami demo!

I'm surprised that nobody so far has appeared to take the (perhaps too cynical) view that the band are trying to 'use up' their contract with sony? I remember a while back, I think prior to the commercial success of SATT, some people on the forum suggesting this reissue went ahead as a way of the band freeing themselves from sony for a new label as bands (are tied into 5album deals etc). Admittedly I haven't been able to frequent FD as much as I used to be able to so perhaps I'm slightly out of touch, but I think I also remember a snippet of an interview with Sean (noted for the fact that Sean said something!, especially something quite powerful) about the band taking new directions and being free of labels?

Maybe I might have taken such a view back then, before we realised that sony were far more committed to pushing SATT than LB. That is, if any of what I've thunked about actually transpired or was just heresay or indeed not actually just the product of my current sleep deprived mind... I did try searching for the sean quote but alas found nothing.
yea but a re-release of an old album wouldn't count would it? Sony could re-issue those albums once they've left the label.
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Old 16-02-2008, 09:59
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Sony could re-issue those albums once they've left the label.
Like Fire did with Pulp, about a hundred times. They bled their back catalogue dry.
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