This Is My Truth 2018 Boxset and tour(?)

[Routine Builder]

At least it's not as dramtic as John Cale's complete re-recording of Music for A New Society.....

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Phil C

Er...no, there's no 'clearly' about it. They've written songs about Richey since and never had a problem with playing them live. Why people think they know what the band's thinking is when they've not said anything baffles me. Ocean Spray is about James' mother dying, Hold Me Like A Heaven is about Nick's mother dying, As Holy As The Soil is about friends dying, Cardiff Afterlife and Walk Me To The Bridge refer to Richey...but Nobody Loved You has 'clearly' been dropped because it's about Richey?

Er....there is "clearly" a different connotation to NLY compared to other "Richey" songs. Nobody thinks they know what the band is thinking. It's a forum for discussion. You don't think that NLY is different in being the most open and vulnerable and voyeuristic of the Richey songs? With the line that "nobody loved you like me" when the band have had issues with Richey's family regarding the role of the band in accelerating Richey's issues? You just think it was a random choice in order to get Prologue on there? I think it's up for discussion. And it's fun chatting about it.

[The Holy Bum-Bum]

Very, very disappointing that they're doing this.

I hope, at the least, NLY is remastered somewhere else on the album. Otherwise all the other songs will sound great and I'll have the wet '98 mix just for that.

It's put me off picking this up. I didn't get SATT for this reason, and it's probably gonna be the same here.

Not sure when Nicky turned into George Lucas, but it all feels terribly dishonest about the past.

[UEF]

Originally Posted by Porco

Hmm, you could be right, but I read it as meaning it would only be a demo of NLY, like they did with Underdogs.

"We’ve put [fan favourite B-side] ‘Prologue To History’ on the album now and kicked off ‘Nobody Loved You’. We’ve moved that onto disc two with a great demo that we’ve found."

It's not very clear if he means the original track PLUS a great demo of the same song, or that they've just 'moved' the *song* (as opposed to the original album's recorded version) of NLY AS a demo.

"With" could kind of mean either... and Underdogs is the worrying precedent here. I hope it's the former (album version *plus* demo) and you're right.

My reading of that was an entirely different "Nobody Loved you is on the 2nd disc, in addition to an entirely unheard of demo of another song"

[UEF]

Originally Posted by Phil C

Hold Me Like A Heaven is about Nick's mother dying

haven't heard that before

[Routine Builder]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Er....there is "clearly" a different connotation to NLY compared to other "Richey" songs. Nobody thinks they know what the band is thinking. It's a forum for discussion. You don't think that NLY is different in being the most open and vulnerable and voyeuristic of the Richey songs? With the line that "nobody loved you like me" when the band have had issues with Richey's family regarding the role of the band in accelerating Richey's issues? You just think it was a random choice in order to get Prologue on there? I think it's up for discussion. And it's fun chatting about it.

Also, Nicky really disliked performing William's Last Words and there was the whole thing about him threatening to burn the JPFL acetates. There's essentially dropping holy bible songs from the set list for the years after Richey disappeared. Dropping Nobody Loved You is kind of on form for them when you think about it...

[Dancing Kirby]

I think Montana/Autumn/78 would work better in place of Nobody Loved You on the album. Similarly, Welcome to the Deadzone might be a superior song to Underdogs but it made no sense to place it where they did on SATT10. The Masterplan is one of Oasis’s most loved songs but that doesn’t mean Noel ever felt the need to go back and put it on WTSMG in place of that instrumental or She’s Electric. That’s not how albums work.

Anyway, if they have an issue with Nobody Loved You, they’ll need to take William’s Last Words off JFPL next. That’s always been their most problematic use of Richey in a song. I mean, I believe he committed suicide but that didn’t give Nicky the right to twist his words so dramatically and write his suicide note on his behalf as soon as he was declared legally dead.

I’m not surprised if Richey’s family has a problem with Nicky.

But more important than any of that is, they better finally put this out as the double vinyl it always needed to be or there will be trouble.

[Suicide Aldi]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

the band have had issues with Richey's family regarding the role of the band in accelerating Richey's issues

Source for this statement please? Im just interested.

[Routine Builder]

To be fair, I think the band, the fans and the family are possessive of Richey's legacy in different ways. It's hard to consolidate Richey the son, the brother, the friend, the tragic rockstar etc. There's always been a slight antagonism between the different groups because of this.

The articles released around the TIMT era probably didn't help. If we're talking about stages of grief, Nicky was very much in the anger stage. It probably didn't help with Nicky airing his feelings in public especially in those NME interviews. Richey's family would have probably preferred to grieve/process in private.

In the years since, Rachel has managed to become the face of Richey's legacy which is probably for the best.

The above is spitballing but deaths in the best of circumstances, creates turbolence in relationships.

[UEF]

Originally Posted by Suicide Aldi

Source for this statement please? Im just interested.

Hard to imagine them not having such feelings to a greater or lesser extent. Compare with James "if he came back I don't think he could be in the band again" - people took offence from that but put yourself in their/Richey's shoes...

aaaaanyway, when's this tour then?

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Suicide Aldi

Source for this statement please? Im just interested.

I’m at work, but his sister has spoken out in the past.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Suicide Aldi

Source for this statement please? Im just interested.

“Rachel, who still lives in Wales, no longer speaks to the band but the family still get royalties.“

Yes, I know it’s the Mirror, but this is one of those statements.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.mirr...r-10239801.amp

[Suicide Aldi]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

“Rachel, who still lives in Wales, no longer speaks to the band but the family still get royalties.“

Yes, I know it’s the Mirror, but this is one of those statements.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.mirr...r-10239801.amp

Thanks. I wasmt being funny, just genuinly curious.

[Routine Builder]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

“Rachel, who still lives in Wales, no longer speaks to the band but the family still get royalties.“

Yes, I know it’s the Mirror, but this is one of those statements.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/www.mirr...r-10239801.amp

In fairness, none of them live in Blackwood anymore. It could be nothing more than a statement of fact rather than particularly related to what was said by the band. We only tend to hear about the band's family from their respective band member (well, James and Nick anyway). There's plenty of my friends family I don't speak to anymore only just because my friends don't live at home anymore.

[Porco]

Originally Posted by UEF

My reading of that was an entirely different "Nobody Loved you is on the 2nd disc, in addition to an entirely unheard of demo of another song"

Well like I said, I hope you're right. I guess we'll find out soon!