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The change was confirmed by eringa to be a cut edit job. To my ears it doesn't sound the best but time will tell if it feels right
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What is meant by cut-edit? Only modifying the old track? I seriously doubt it in case of J. Alfred, it really sounds 1. like JDB 2022 2. smooth (no strange cutting)
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Definitely a cut/shift job on the vocal. It's very jarring and just sounds shit. The more I listen to the remix of My Guernica, the more I dislike it.
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Hahaha! Pedestal now has an unnecessary "WOWNK" guitar noise at the end instead a fade on Sean's symbol! Knew I should have bought the 3CD thing.
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23-09-2022, 15:28
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Liking the mix. The alternative title of this is "Found That Reverb."
It's not a new bit by any stretch of the imagination, but I like the fact that they put a swell in Intravenous Agnostic (3:19.) Glorious. The other veeeeery noticable thing is how the bass drum shifts from the centre to the side of the mix in the Ocean Spray heavy guitar part. This opens up the space so you can hear Mitch Ikeda's spoken word bit (at the end) much more easily. The thing with the KYE mix originally is it's all so rough and unfinished that it's no surprise that a bit of polish and space is brining elements to the fore that were there but just inaudiable before. I'll have a listen to some of these other suggestions and thoughts on the mix itself and see if I can spot the difference.
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I notice that the high pitched guitar in the first part of this is *much* lower in the mix (from 2:44 onwards) than the original. I think a lot of what is going on here is just playing with levels rather than anything new, plus the swell mentioned in my last post. Quote:
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The original Guernica has some very odd placements and deliberate crappiness (edit: this crappiness is something I wondered about, but I'm glad to hear it very much confirmed by Dave Eringa in the recent podcast episode), which is mostly removed. Typically, drums and bass are central in a vanilla song mix. KYE isn't traditional so on Guernica, you have the bass on one side of your ears and the drums on the other with a random tambo in the middle. The new mix is more traditional which makes way more space especially for James voice, and the guitars are significantly turned down. Freedom of Speech; again, there's just a lot more space in the mix, and it sounds like there's some gentle movement of the placement of instruments in your ears as the song builds up. And it's drenched in reverb where the original isn't. The original is also quite a muddy mix, which again really highlights those jagged guitars and hides other aspects of the song. Errrr what else?... The Convalescent now has a tambourine & cowbell. The end of Wattsville Blues is gone. As a final note; what I'd say with remixes is that you'd be amazed how far you can turn a horrible buzz-saw guitar into something quite pretty with a low pass filter and a few other little tricks. The same is true the other way. If one can add reverb and delay to an instrument, then additional effects (see: Miss Europa guitars etc) can be added to tweak how a specific instrument sounds. In a nutshell we've gone from a narrow, muddy and buzzy mix with buried vocals, to something more "classic Manics" if you will. The new one has a wide mix including mostly traditional placement of the instruments, more vocals, less guitars and a bunch of reverb.
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