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That is the truth, and I'm glad it reads like that. But that wasn't the intention of the person who quoted about the meeting (forgive me, I am unsure if it was Rachel or SHR). I think the reception of such a quote depends on context the reader may have gained elsewhere, and the opinion of the band/management. Thankfully, from what you've said, that's positive. Perhaps it will remain that way. Quote:
The same accusations against Richey... The exact same accusations. Because she was always talking about Richey when she said them. She's performed a sleight of hand to transfer them to James, because it fits the current narrative. If mentioned at all, I doubt it would be overtly so. As you say, not exactly publishable. It may not even fit into the book. It may have been removed... Who yet knows? Quote:
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Basically, all this is serious padding for the message: if new information had been found, should we be entitled to it? Who benefits? I'm not sure if I would be surprised myself. I think at this point it's looking fairly likely it will be? I mean, a big publisher like Penguin isn't going to let it go, surely? Having said that, the book's been through a lot of hands, had a lot of attention, and I suppose it could go either way. We'll have to wait and see!
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What accusations? Was he accused by someone of doing to that writer who was in a relationship with a relatively well known Irish actor what Richey was accused of doing to a Japanese friend of a friend of a friend? Last edited by Bryter Layter; 14-02-2019 at 18:43. |
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I reckon when SHR came on here it was a preemptive attack on JDB to deflect attention away from Richey's alleged incident with a Japanese fan, knowing full well that she would be on here defending Richey and digging for stuff for her book which was always going to include huge criticism of the band.
She wouldn't want anything bad about Richey brought up during her research so she went on the attack against other band members straight away as some form of justification of his actions if it was needed. That's my theory anyway! |
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That is roughly what I deduced from Sim's post. Initially I just thought age was the issue. Then the wider implication clicked.
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But when she came on here initially, she was just as scathing about Richey's fans as she was the others. It seems she's had quite the Damascene Conversion to Richey's cause since she met Rachel and decided to write this book. Last edited by Velocitygirl; 14-02-2019 at 21:18. |
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Which absolutely is why it's completely reasonable to be suspicious about the whole undertaking.
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I think it's safe to say that every person contributing to this thread has major misgivings about the book. I'd go as far as to say many are hostile, and I count myself among them.
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Wait, are you guys saying that SHR was hostile towards Richey at some point? When was this? Under another one of her usernames perhaps? I don't ever recall her being anything other than highly reverential about him. Almost implying that she was his mouthpiece in absentia or something.
Like the alleged Richey incident, I'm extremely skeptical about second hand information passed through several different sources. I'm especially skeptical when an alleged victim has talked/written publicly about their life quite recently and never mentioned anything of the sort. Of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that I'm skeptical and most people should be. I've not read any of the individual in question's books, but I remember someone saying that there was a rather sad incident mentioned in one of them and there was some back and forth about which one did it to her because she never mentioned the person by name (again, I do not know what happened, but based on the way it was described, I don't think it was anything violent, but rather perhaps someone she was having it off with was a massive prick to her. That's the gist I got) someone who knew the band back in the day said they thought it sounded like something Richey would do, but I believe SHR said it was JDB or something to that effect. The bottom line is, when she was supposedly seeing JDB, she was of age. I mean, some may have ethical issues about people in their mid 20s messing around with people in their late teens, but it's certainly not illegal. |
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Oh, I see! I could have sworn I saw someone else say the same though which is why I was confused. I know for a fact she has had a few other usernames. If memory serves correct, there was one that she used over a decade ago to ask about Richey's sex life and about Jo. Even back then, she seemed to know a lot of personal info on him which she said she got from some people that knew him. I think she even had pictures of him before he was in the band. I can't find that user name anymore so maybe she deleted it or maybe the admins archived the years that account was active?
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This gets worse! If this is how she goes about collecting information for a book then her integrity is non existent.
So she must just be a complete psycho with an obsession and has been fortunate enough to weasle her way into his sisters life. This is mental! |
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Not only his sister, she nudged her way into being a friend of Emma Forrest to the point Forrest dedicated a book to her. It's creepy as fuck.
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SHR should have remained objective if she is first and foremost a writer ... The band clearly struggled a long time over whether they should write music for and record the lyrics left to them, it was never going to be a commercial success though it was a critical hit for which they should be proud. What better tribute could they have made to their old friend who left them his lyrics? He did say a lot of what he wrote went off into the river so if he was sure of anything seems safe to say he was sure he wanted the words he handed over to be used. Though of course because he's no longer here anyone and everyone close to him will have an opinion, will have doubts, is this what Richey would have wanted, the band first and foremost ....Maybe Rachel has different opinions, fine, understandable even and surely she as much as the band would have worried over how his lyrics would be received, interpreted and whether the band had done justice or shaped the interpretation etc etc but I feel SHR has taken her doubts as permission to undermine the band and blacken their name. Which from her just comes across as sheer spite and completely unsubstantiated because she isn't his sister, she wasn't a friend, she has no personal emotions to try and resolve she just looks like she's trying to look for a new angle to make a sale. People will see that Quote:
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But I do understand what you're saying, you still hear 'don't speak ill of the dead' as if all is resolved, forgiven and forgotten even if they were a complete bastard. And of course if someone's taken their life then come all the questions/feelings of guilt, blame, anger, protectiveness, relief in some cases and difficult maybe to just let your guard down and speak honestly ....everyone's different, everyone reacts differently obviously and it does feel SHR has disregarded complexities for the sake of a black and white picture though I don't know what she's hoping to achieve unless of course you have a certain narrative in mind....that he felt pushed out, unappreciated etc that here are reasons why he may have left with no trace which is ridiculous in its sheer simplicity....more of us would disappear from our lives if it was all down to feeling unappreciated and frustrated in the day job....as well as backed up by erm nothing Sorry to hear about what happened to you. I think on forums and well social media generally we can forget there's a person sitting behind the screen and when it comes to discussions like this some people may be bringing more of themselves into it than we always realise so we all should tread a little more kindly Quote:
Anyway yes we can forget as fans or as writers that of course you can talk about it but it's not an episode of Broadchurch for everyone, it's not just interesting gossip. I could surmise Rachel feels the band have always had an outlet or platform for their memories and she doesn't have that in the same way....she's losing 'her' brother, I could be wrong and guilty of doing what I don't think others should (!) I get that but for SHR to be scathing as she has been about the band discussing Richey and using the tragedy for their own ends that I don't understand and can't be excused, just malicious...God, I'm talking myself out of wanting to read it now It would be just plain weird if they never spoke about him. I know they don't seem keen to have it pointed out but it does seem Nicky's trying to resolve a lot of feelings around Richey, Richey haunts a lot of his lyrics I can't see that it's down to SHR or anyone to express her arseish cynicism. Is she mixing him up with a politician? Oh, silly me, cos of course they don't have any politics neither do they??? Playground. I feel it's good to hear them talk about him and their history, awkward if they're asked about what they think happened, don't see a reason to be so cloddish but I don't think they get that so much now...though yeah they might on the back of this book Quote:
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