Forever Delayed - The Independent Manics Forum  

Go Back   Forever Delayed - The Independent Manics Forum > Manic Street Preachers > Manic Street Preachers Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 19-06-2023, 09:00
Bartek Wyre's Avatar
Bartek Wyre Bartek Wyre is offline
A self-made vacuum
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kielce, Poland
Age: 39
Posts: 2,486
On a side note and in retrospect, oh boy, God Save the Manics, what a goofy title! What were they thinking?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 19-06-2023, 09:17
mrdi's Avatar
mrdi mrdi is offline
An imitation of dignity
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: West of London
Posts: 55
I still maintain that 2002-2004 was one of the most sonically interesting, if not prolific periods in MSP’s career. JDB’s approach to guitar, the introduction of more synths for a more glacial sound - it’s aged remarkably well and the songwriting on some of the b-sides was better than on many subsequent albums.

TBTGOG remains one of my favourite MSP songs and for me, that single was the start of the Lifeblood era. Brilliant b-sides too and that should form part of a Lifeblood repackaging.

I didn’t like Nixon at the time but that’s another song which has fared well with time, musically at least.

The Lifeblood b-sides & rarities also deserve a place in what I hope will be similar to the KYE ‘reimagining’ - there are gems like ‘Quarantine’, ‘The Soulmates’, ‘Litany’, ‘Everyone Knows/Nobody Cares’, ‘Askew Road’, ‘Everything Will Be’ and ‘All Alone Here’ would certainly be elevated by being included on a revised tracklisting.

I’m very excited by this prospect, I just hope it’s done well.
__________________
1994: Clapham Grand, Reading Festival, Portsmouth Guildhall, London Astoria.
1995: Wembley Arena.
1996: London Forum, Phoenix Festival, Southampton Guildhall, Cardiff Arena, Brixton Academy, Shepherd’s Bush Empire.
1997: Aston Villa Leisure Centre, Brighton Centre, Reading Rivermead, Royal Albert Hall, Reading Festival.
1998: Hereford Leisure Centre, Exeter Arena, Wembley Arena, Cardiff Arena.
1999: V Festival
2002: Brixton Academy
2009: London Forum
2014: London Roundhouse x 3
2021: Portsmouth Guildhall

Last edited by mrdi; 19-06-2023 at 09:25.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 19-06-2023, 14:22
Son of Stopped's Avatar
Son of Stopped Son of Stopped is offline
Builder of routine
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Manics Still Good Island
Age: 50
Posts: 16,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdi View Post
I didn’t like Nixon at the time but that’s another song which has fared well with time, musically at least.
I remember full on "The hell is THIS?" for days when I got the single. Then the midweeks said it was going to be number one. So I forced myself to listen and listen again until it clicked. Eventually it did. But it was all for naught as another number 2 placing happened.
Women in a gym doing aerobics. If only that was in their video.
Plus at time, coming through the 90's and seeing videos that made even me think "So... We're just going to piss away equality and change just for sweaty Dance videos?".
Ah, 2004. There was that war. And how it seemed how bleak times couldn't be rooted any more.

That said, I'll be getting the three disc version! It said on the KYE website the extra tracks would be included on the 2CD version!
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 19-06-2023, 15:05
slop101 slop101 is offline
I am purity, they call me perverted
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: CA, US
Posts: 216
Since they seem to dump a song on some of these album reissues, and replace it with a [superior] B-side, I hope they dump Nixon (the only bad song on the album, IMO), and replace it with pretty much any B-side from the Lifeblood sessions - there were lots...

The Soulmates
Antarctic
Automatik Teknicolour
It's All Gone
Unstoppable Salvation
Happy Ending
Everyone Knows / Nobody Cares
Everything Will Be
Askew Road
Quarantine (In My Place Of)
Voodoo Polaroids
All Alone Here
No Jubilees
Litany
Dying Breeds
Failure Bound

Last edited by slop101; 19-06-2023 at 20:01.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 19-06-2023, 15:38
ron the little seal's Avatar
ron the little seal ron the little seal is offline
Desire on its knees
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 855
Tiny massive hands, my utter disdain for that lyric has not dimmed
__________________
Nothing is secure but life, transition, the energizing spirit. No love can be bound by oath or covenant to secure it against a higher love. No truth so sublime but it may be trivial tomorrow in the light of new thoughts. People wish to be settled; only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 19-06-2023, 19:52
sitdown1985's Avatar
sitdown1985 sitdown1985 is offline
I am purity, they call me perverted
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: South England
Age: 39
Posts: 309
Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Stopped View Post
I remember full on "The hell is THIS?" for days when I got the single. Then the midweeks said it was going to be number one. So I forced myself to listen and listen again until it clicked. Eventually it did. But it was all for naught as another number 2 placing happened.
Women in a gym doing aerobics. If only that was in their video.
Plus at time, coming through the 90's and seeing videos that made even me think "So... We're just going to piss away equality and change just for sweaty Dance videos?".
Ah, 2004. There was that war. And how it seemed how bleak times couldn't be rooted any more.

That said, I'll be getting the three disc version! It said on the KYE website the extra tracks would be included on the 2CD version!
I remember sitting at the family computer when my sister called me over because they were playing it on TOTP. Took me a moment to realise it was James singing in a lower register!
IMO their best video though, with all the newspapers flying etc.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 19-06-2023, 20:40
Europa Gluten Free's Avatar
Europa Gluten Free Europa Gluten Free is offline
I live to fall asleep
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,540
Very distinctly reminder the first play by Jo Whiley on Radio 1 and thinking I'm not sure and Jo Whiley not seeming too sure either.

But the Lifeblood era did give us the best radio session the band ever did. One of the best recordings of This is Yesterday.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 20-06-2023, 08:56
theraven1979's Avatar
theraven1979 theraven1979 is offline
I am purity, they call me perverted
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 269
One of their best albums IMO. Pretty sure I got this on a reissue about 10 years ago. Gatefold vinyl
__________________
1st July 1993 Leeds Town & Country Club, 8th April 1996 Leeds Town & Country Club, 8th October 1996 Leeds Town & Country Club, 12th December 1996 Cardiff International Arena, 24th May 1997 Manchester Nynex Arena, 23rd August 1997 Reading Festival, 26th June 1999 Glastonbury Festival, 26th August 2001 Leeds Festival, 6th December 2002 MEN Arena, 11th July 2003 Move Festival,17th December 2004 MEN Arena, 17th April 2005 Leeds Refectory, 9th May 2007 Leeds Refectory, 11th October 2010 Leeds Town & Country Club, 1st June 2015 Wolverhampton Civic Hall, 2nd May 2018 Leeds Arena, 27th May 2019 York Barbican, 10th September 2021 Piece Hall, Halifax, 7th October 2021 Leeds Town & Country Club, 13th July 2024 Millennium Square, Leeds



www.themeninblack.co.uk/forums
www.jamesradley.co.uk
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 20-06-2023, 09:19
Suicide Aldi's Avatar
Suicide Aldi Suicide Aldi is offline
Knowlede Is Power
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,079
If they dump TLORN i will kick off. In my opinion, that song is representative of what Lifeblood SHOULD have been, but the idea seemed to get lost somwhere Along the way.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 21-06-2023, 12:34
tomd2103 tomd2103 is offline
I am purity, they call me perverted
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdi View Post
I still maintain that 2002-2004 was one of the most sonically interesting, if not prolific periods in MSP’s career. JDB’s approach to guitar, the introduction of more synths for a more glacial sound - it’s aged remarkably well and the songwriting on some of the b-sides was better than on many subsequent albums.

TBTGOG remains one of my favourite MSP songs and for me, that single was the start of the Lifeblood era. Brilliant b-sides too and that should form part of a Lifeblood repackaging.

I didn’t like Nixon at the time but that’s another song which has fared well with time, musically at least.

The Lifeblood b-sides & rarities also deserve a place in what I hope will be similar to the KYE ‘reimagining’ - there are gems like ‘Quarantine’, ‘The Soulmates’, ‘Litany’, ‘Everyone Knows/Nobody Cares’, ‘Askew Road’, ‘Everything Will Be’ and ‘All Alone Here’ would certainly be elevated by being included on a revised tracklisting.

I’m very excited by this prospect, I just hope it’s done well.
I agree with that. I would include Forever Delayed as TBTGOG as the beginning of that period and there are plenty of songs from that time that I still go back to now.

I suppose the release of two compilation albums before Lifeblood spread the material of that era out a bit, as I've always felt FD and TBTGOG would have sounded great on Lifeblood (along with the Greatest Hits version of Door to the River).
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 21-06-2023, 16:21
Europa Gluten Free's Avatar
Europa Gluten Free Europa Gluten Free is offline
I live to fall asleep
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,540
Again - the band would like this 2002-2004 era more if the commercial success and attention they had enjoyed in 1998-2000 had continued on. This was their middle phase when they were between Radio 1 and Radio 2. They finally accepted who they now were in 2007.

I have such great memories of Lifeblood. Probably my fav era as a Manics fan alongside TIMT and JFPL (and TUVL strangely).
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 23-06-2023, 00:06
tomd2103 tomd2103 is offline
I am purity, they call me perverted
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free View Post
Again - the band would like this 2002-2004 era more if the commercial success and attention they had enjoyed in 1998-2000 had continued on. This was their middle phase when they were between Radio 1 and Radio 2. They finally accepted who they now were in 2007.

I have such great memories of Lifeblood. Probably my fav era as a Manics fan alongside TIMT and JFPL (and TUVL strangely).
That's true about them viewing things through the prism of commercial success. It's a strange one that period. They nailed it with some of the stuff and I still think the likes of 1985 are up there with anything they have done. Where they didn't quite nail it, it just sounds a bit flat, particularly in the middle part of the album (To Repel Ghosts aside).
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 27-06-2023, 10:03
someone, somewhere, soon's Avatar
someone, somewhere, soon someone, somewhere, soon is offline
Desire on its knees
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Cambridge
Age: 44
Posts: 990
I can see TBTGOG making the album tracklist, probably in place of Nixon. Should fit nicely between 1985 and Empty Souls.
__________________
https://www.last.fm/user/jcowx
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 27-06-2023, 11:44
Son of Stopped's Avatar
Son of Stopped Son of Stopped is offline
Builder of routine
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Manics Still Good Island
Age: 50
Posts: 16,915
I should stress Nixon has clicked. It's the most alien Manic Street Preachers single ever. More weirder than Gospel of Some Kind Of Nothingness. Because Gospel is associated with Rock.
The Love Of Richard Nixon went further than TBTGOG as that had a reassuring guitar in it's intro.
And yet if 1985 or Always/Never was the lead single, it all could have been a different story!
I've heard 1985 was planned a single but abandoned. Wishlist for Always/Never to be a single.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 02-07-2023, 18:49
Donkey's Avatar
Donkey Donkey is offline
Winterlover
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Germany
Posts: 5,830
To remove Nixon from Lifeblood would be crazy and wrong. It is actually a good song.
In the current live renditions they repeat the 20 year old mistakes: the songs don't work live with the backing tracks. They need rockier approach and faster tempo. Just like Suede with Butler playing Stay Together and other songs live or (one level lower) Queen playing Staying Power or Body Language.

I remember listening to Nixon the first time and awaiting an octave jump in vocals. Probably first chorus. Ok, then second verse. Ok, then second chorus. Ok...then after the solo. Oh shit. I am sure James will sing it one octave higher live. Oh shit. Aaaa "and your country toooooo".

For the reissue
the orginal Visconti mixes
IoW tempo and arrangement demo of Empty Souls
Other early demos and rehearsals
Soundboard recording of SSI@IoW
would be great.

I am surprised to hear people saying Lifeblood b-sides are good. For me, they are at least a few levels lower than GATS or EMG era. But I think I prefer all eras b-sides I know (up to RTF/Futurology) to Lifeblood. The cheap My Sweet Lord rip Quaranteen, the pathetic Askew Road, Nicky's vocals, absolutely unecessary songs like No Jubilees or how is it called, repetitive All Alone Here...give me a break :-) They really made good choice of what should and shouldn't be on the album that time. So, the end of my pathetic litany-y-y.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.