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Old 05-10-2010, 00:02
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Positives:
Loud guitar based songs with solos
The return of an image - Lifeblood had drained of image again which was a bad move. I adored that they put some effort into looking like a kick ass band again and toured like one.

Negatives:
Putting Underdogs on the album was a fiasco, good song for what it was but not an album track. Welcome to the Dead Zone or Love Letter or something should've been there.

Wire's lyrics were at times cringworthy. "Oh god I sound like a liberal" was very pompous; his attempt at politics in words again wasn't much of a success; what the hell did "if god persists" mean?



Best songs:

I'm Just A Patsy
Your Love Alone Is Not Enough

Worst:
Autumn Song
Underdogs
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Old 05-10-2010, 00:12
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+ It's success has galvanised the band, hopefully meaning the end of 3-year gaps between albums
+ Some of the best solos JDB has done since THB

- Its success has made them come up with this "two versions of ourselves" nonsense, which means we may never see an expansion on what they did with TBTGOG and Lifeblood
- The singles are awful, awful songs and look likely to be the representative songs of the album on all future tours

Imperial Bodybags
The Second Great Depression
Autumnsong
Your Love Alone Is Not Enough

Picking the best songs is really difficult - SATT, Rendition and Patsy are all right up there with TSGD, and Winterlovers isn't far behind. I decided YLAINE is just slightly worse than Indian Summer.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:37
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More Autumnsong love needed!
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:47
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More Autumnsong love needed!
if they agree to change it a little bit (i.e. write new lyrics, change the instrumentation), i will undertake to try and give it some love.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:48
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if they agree to change it a little bit (i.e. write new lyrics, change the instrumentation), i will undertake to try and give it some love.
Nooooooo! I love it as it is.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:07
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Nooooooo! I love it as it is.
i would really never wish to fight or argue with you. i bought the singles pack for it because, it seemed to me, getting shit like this into the charts seemed rather important to Nicky Wire. it got played once or twice, but never again.

on the upside, you are in the bracket of a select, chosen few for who they play this live for, presumably. lucky you, quite an honour!
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:16
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I don't really get all the Autumn Song hate either. Its just a harmless catchy tune full of great melodies.

Granted, the lyrics are just dumb fun rather than anything deeper, but fuck it, it is just a bit of lighthearted fun.
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+ Revitalised the band and gave them new vigor
+ Some great musicianship on there

- Bit too calculated, didn't feel like the album they wanted to make at the time and it was written just to appeal to people again, making a few of the album tracks a little disposable, but hey it worked so what do I know!
- Again, lyrically a bit poor in place

Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
Send Away The Tigers
Underdogs
Indian Summer
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:23
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More Autumnsong hate needed!
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best - YLA
worst - WCH
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:42
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+'s: The backwards 'R's // Lots of guitars
-'s: The non-inclusion of 'Leviathan' and 'Anorexic Rodin'

Best 2: Send Away The Tigers // The Second Great Depression
Worst 2: Winterlovers // Underdogs
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Old 05-10-2010, 17:27
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2 Positives:

-A return to loud guitars and some great anthems.
-A return to mainstream success/noticeability.

2 Negatives:

-Lyrically quite uninspired in places.
-Just a bit too overblown.

2 Best Songs:

-Indian Summer
-I'm Just A Patsy

2 Worst Songs:

-Underdogs
-Autumnsong
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Old 05-10-2010, 19:17
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Wire's lyrics were at times cringworthy. "Oh god I sound like a liberal" was very pompous; his attempt at politics in words again wasn't much of a success; what the hell did "if god persists" mean?
While I agree in general about the lyrics, I find your bafflement about the 'Indian Summer' line puzzling as I'd have thought its meaning was pretty clear.

'If God persists, persists in saying "yes"/I guess we'll have, we'll have to test ourselves'

In other words, if God keeps allowing us to do whatever we like, we'll have to regulate our (i.e. humanity's) own behaviour. In the past we judged our behaviour by what we thought God wanted. But now the belief in God has disappeared, and as he fails to prove his existence by stopping our attrocities, we'll have to be responsible for ourselves.
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Old 05-10-2010, 19:40
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Underdogs is one of their worst ever songs
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Old 06-10-2010, 21:26
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+ Renewed commercial success.
+ It features the delectable Nina Persson.

- Worst album they've ever made.
- Really half-assed version of the excellent Working Class Hero.

Two Best Songs - Your Love Alone is Not Enough, The Second Great Depression
Two Worst Songs - Underdogs, Autumnsong
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