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Did SHR interview David Cross or Lori Fidler? Seeing how they figure in the reported events at the time, I'd be surprised if she didn't write something. Well, I wouldn't be surprised because the research for the book seems to be geared towards people on the sidelines who know Richey more than anyone else ever did (apparently).
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You've read the full lyrics because the band published them. By doing so they were making it clear, I think, that the song is but one interpretation of the words left behind, and inviting others to adopt their own meaning. As written by Richey, William's Last Words is not a song, so they had to do something.
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When the song came out, I pretty much remember the forum here being quite critical of the lyric. Still love the song though, one of the best produced songs in their catalogue and the outro still sends me into tears 10 years later (fuck it's been 10 years)...
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Fair enough, I can see that, even if it wasn't the intention.
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'Yr the best friends I ever had' does actually feature in the original lyrics. So I don't really see the problem at all. It's a fuss over nothing.
Nicky also incudes the line 'I'm just gonna close my eyes, think about my family And shed a little tear'. So it's hardly the band trying to claim him as their own. This is a non argument. Last edited by beautifuldistortion; 27-02-2019 at 10:32. Reason: Awful spelling |
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As quite a few people disagree on this point, it is very much a non-non argument.
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We only know how WLW, and indeed all of JFPL, was edited because we were given access to the original lyric sheets. They didn’t have to share those but they did out of respect and admiration for what they were working with. If we saw the originals of all their songs vs how they ended up, I bet the form and intention of most would end up considerably different that they started out. Quote:
This criticism is mentioned in the book as if it gives theirs validity, incidentally. Very, very much this.
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With regards to WLW, I'm not trying to paint a definitive interpretation of the lyric or essay. The fact is that the lyric is very emotive and is so because of the choice editing by Nicky. Usually it was James who edited lyrics but for whatever reason the band chose to have Nicky edit them for JPFL.
Also the lyric doesn't sit easily with Richey's other lyrics. Richey is not one to speak in his view from the first person. In the essay, it's clear that Richey is inhabiting a persona rather than necessarily speaking with his own voice. The lyric sounds like a direct message from Richey with little or ambiguity which quite honestly is not his style.
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The contradictions and omissions appear to astounding.
-According to Rachel and SHR Richey was the bands chief lyricist, but she's not happy with the band using his lyrics! -She expects them to be untouched which is ridiculous, I'm certain James edited pretty much everything Richey gave to him in some way. -Without the rest of the band none of us would even of heard of Richey. They gave him his platform. - Don't forget they existed first without him. Of course his lyrics were a major factor in the early years, I am not disputing that at all. But the fact is Nicky, James and Sean were there at the start and the idea of the band was Nicky and James' in the first place. - I know lots of people that never even knew Richey existed and think the Manics are a 3 piece. They got success with lyrics from Nicky. In this case I feel the popularity of say ADFL and the rest of EMG was due to the quality of the songs, yes it was music for the masses, but the band had always intended to be huge and successful and this only happened after Richey. This success led to those interested delving deeper into the bands history and becoming aware of Richeys contributions. This now seems to be conveniently forgotten by the authors and all involved with this nasty little book. |
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FDTW? Sleepflower? |
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Faster- joint lyric but feel free to point out where people have called Richey a butcher or to all the buildings he has designed..
Are FDTW and Sleepfliwer not joint lyrics?
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Nicky has always said that Faster was a Richey lyric and he just came up with the title. We all know that as a 'poet' the use of metaphors etc are Richeys style. I can't believe I am even having to clarify that Butcher refers to him cutting himself, Architect is about him looking at the self harm a different way and maybe building a persona or something else or that it is constructive to him. It's probably the case nobody ever called him a butcher and he is using artistic licence! But you know all of this. I am annoyed you have gone down this route rather than just accept that clearly he has written in the first person before. 'Self digust is self obsession honey' wasn't that said to Richey by a fan? Another reason to believe that Faster is directly about him and the use of 'I' throughout the song makes it even clearer. |
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Possibly yep.
Thank you. Still clearly about Richey! |
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