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I agree with what River Boy and raven have said. The new details that have come about may jog someones mind, such as the toll ticket that must not have been properly investigated at the time and it having more slant and speculation. I don't know who the authors are but it seems Rachel wants to help in the book for it to be written by fans in the manic ethos? Possibly in hope for those who experience in various levels problems that her brother suffered. I don't see any harm in that. His sister has obviously included sensitve information in the book that she's trusted with fans and readers. Perhaps new information could bring further hope in more speculation or disagreement. I haven't thought there was animosity towards the band though. I'm sure I read that Rachel attended a concert some years ago. I will buy the book and I hope it is a success.
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A small extract from the book is on the Penguin website: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2...edium=referral
I’m surprised James and Richey listening to new demos just before Richey disappeared has been deemed “new information”. James has talked about that numerous times in the past, a long time before the quoted Q Magazine interview. |
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So basically she's accusing the band of lying to the police and Richey's family.. Classy.
We haven't got to the part where she claims Richey was autistic yet... Totally a worthwhile endeavour.
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The only new information seems to be the mysterious "Vivian" and according to Rachel's quote in that extract it was the band who confirmed she's real and was present. Weird. No idea what to make of that.
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That part seems to suggest otherwise to me tbh (and why mention the Q interview quote from James from 2016 if that wasn't the magazine in question?). It's not as if James hasn't spoken of it on multiple occasions, which is why it confused me. |
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We've had a media who report it to be a suicide based on a presumption - or speculation - same thing really. An investigating officer who announced he believes the same, without actually explaining why or offering evidence as his job requires. We've never had any of the story of his falling in love and being rejected. This would seem very important for judging his mental state. More so, for example, than an album failing to find an audience. On this, the band have always said Richey never talked about it so we won't try to, but this essentially confirms a whole other non-Manic narrative to his life that has never been unearthed. (Or if investigators did visit the woman in question and discover any information they've never revealed anything for others to decide) Neither do we know much about his family relations, other than that he began to feel distant from his father as a teenager. Undoubtedly there is a hidden story somewhere that interviewing all the friends we know he was close to but know little about might illuminate. Whether this has been done well I can't say without reading the book - I get the impression it hasn't - but there's nothing daft about realising there are things to discover and our understanding of what happened is limited by the same criticisms being thrown at this new attempt. |
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Or did you build a life Vivian did you ever realise All the mystery that you left behind" (No, I do not think this Vivian and that Vivian are at all linked, but it's just quite amusing) |
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And the talk about this Vivian woman is odd. Apparently the band told Rachel about her but also refused to talk about her. And also, the band were not directly privy to the police investigation. And not to sound confrontational, Rachel always had a platform to set the story straight especially in the last ten years. This is why I'm suspicious of this book. SHR (see her email to Richeysite) presented this book as joint endeavor between her and Rachel (no mention of 'Leon Noakes'). Obviously Rachel's name isn't on the cover but there's something not right about this arrangement, I find it disingenuous considering how much SHR brings up Rachel to the point it seems like a drinking game. Quote:
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And what is this book even supposed to be? According to Rachel, it's about reclaiming Richey from the Richey Manic persona. Yet all we've seen in interviews and extracts is retelling of the ol' February 1st story and accusations that the band have deliberately lied to the police, Richey's family and the media (for which SHR will be liable for slander I would guess). I'd love it if the book was about Richey but from what I've read, one would most likely be reading about what the author and Rachel did etc. In essence all you'll learn is what SHR and Rachel think more than learn anything new about Richey.
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I don't have the exact quote but I recall the leading investigating officer - perhaps quoted in the Simon Price book - as confirming he personally believes Richard Edwards is no longer with us.
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Agreed, there is no additional evidence but there may have been had the investigation asked the right questions/people at the time. Probably too late now, but we should acknowledge that our understanding of events / timescales was wrong all along. Also it makes his actions appear more calculated and his behaviour less urgent. He had more time back at his house, for example. Quote:
We do after all have theories out there on the likes of Elvis and Tupac being alive, and Paul McCartney being a lookalike. Regardless of whether you believe the suicide might have happened, this is not one of those wacky theories. Also I recall James complaining about it being reported on as a suicide. |
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River Boy....
I don't mean to come off as hostile towards you. The release of this book has me worked up. This is a book marketed towards manics fans however it is written by someone who seeming loathes both the band and their fans. Seeing someone like SHR profit through besmirching the band's good name gets under my skin. While there are far greater injustices in the world, I still find this book indefensible.
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Now she has the bare-faced cheek to turn around to the same people she insulted and say: "buy my book!" |
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Perhaps I've underestimated the extent of the writer's bad behaviour as I haven't seen it. The impression I get of this book is that it isn't very good, I'd just like to be hopeful that some good might come out of it. If she is as bad as many are suggesting then it does make Rachel's support of the book feel very strange. |
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