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The petulance, the petulance.
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Maybe, but I saw them 6 times on that tour (3 x 2 back to back nights) and didn't get bored once.
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I agree that there should be big songs on their setlist but not that setlists should be made up almost entirely of singles.
What was the point of Empty Souls being on the setlist for example. It was there because it got to no.2 and was preferable to Nixon, but did they really think it made a massive difference that it had chart coverage, as if people are ticking off their favourites - 'A Design for Life, Motorcycle and Empty Souls, yep I'm happy!'? They should also champion their latest album more. Only JFPL has had this since EMG - even SATT, which they claim to be a big success (propaganda?), only had a select few. |
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How many hits do they actually have? Since when have You Love Us, Motown Junk, La Tristesse etc...been hits? Never, they were in the charts but that is all and they didn't chart well. So when the band says 'we always play the hits', they are correct in the sense of Motorcycle Emptiness, Design for Life, Tolerate, YLAINE and whatever their latest single is. But that is all the average joe is going to know anyway, so they still have a good 15 songs to put in! Basically what they are saying is 'We'll always play the songs we are used to playing', which is a completely different thing and in my opinion, dead lazy. Grow some balls lads.
And all this about hating seeing bands play songs other than the hits...well surely the point of a band playing live is to showcase songs and entice people to listen to more of them? Clearly the Manics never got that idea then, shame. They could learn a thing or two off their mates Super Furry Animals that is for sure, they've played a completely different set every time i've seen them and yet most of their best known songs are still included. |
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Personally I don't think the majority of the setlist criticism is directed at 'the hits' (which I see as their 'big' songs - Tolerate, YSTS, ADFL, YLU, La Tristessa etc). I think the greater frustration is their insistence on playing songs which aren't hits and aren't popular. With the best will in the world Autumnsong, Ocean Spray, EMG, SKON, etc aren't hits. Nixon and Empty Souls both went to number 2 - they are hits but they don't get played.
This 'playing the hits' excuse doesn't wash with me. There are, I feel, three elements to a gig. The big hits which they could never leave out (ADFL, Tolerate, YLAINE etc), the new stuff they're (supposed to be) trying to plug (INW, SKON) and then there's the other third which is where we have the problem, because it's this section that they could and should be making a little more exciting. Ocean Spray, Autumnsong, Tsunami etc are all great occasionally but this is the bit where having 12 or so songs to shuffle about in a tour would go down really well. It's a shame Sleepflower, Empty Souls, Peeled Apples, Jackie Collins all fell by the wayside but they could all be included in that final third. Have they forgotten how to play Born To End, Rendition, 2nd Great Depression etc already? I don't think it's right to say we're bored of 'the hits' because generally most people aren't, it's the middle third that gets so stale so quickly.
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I agree completely about playing the current album, but I don't think that's right about SATT. I only saw two nights of that tour and I still heard 7 of the 10 songs.
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Yeah, they were doing 5 SATT songs a night on the first tour. In Birmingham they were down to 3 PFAYM songs, which is a load of shit considering there are two extra tracks on the album too.
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Aye SATT got all played...I think not playing lots of songs is the norm, look at lifeblood, postcards or know your enemy. It makes you wonder whether they see the non-played songs as filler, or what....
Don't see why empty souls needed airing, so many better songs on that album. They have about 5 or 6 hits as people said, and a couple more really staple cloud pleasers on their set. So that's stil well over half of a set that can be varied. |
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Does anybody who regularly meets the band after the gigs ever mention this kind of stuff to them?
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PPF was really disappointing. I can't believe they didn't play England Is A Bitch...
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