Original Intros & Re-recordings

[La_Fouinard]

I'm trying to put together what I'd like to think of as a 'definitive' Manics collection in iTunes and could use some advice. The idea is (as far as possible) to have every track they've ever released (including on compilations) with the original intros and them out recent remastering for each track. Where a track's quite different (e.g. the US version of You Love Us to the UK version or acoustic/live/remix/demo versions of tracks) I'm keeping a copy of each.

Given the huge knowledge on this forum I'd like to know if anyone knows of any tracks other than the below which had different versions which weren't acoustic, remixes or demo versions.

Pre Generation Terrorists
- UK Channel Boredom (intro on original release not on 2012 GT box set)
- Tennesse (I Get Low) [different lyrics to GT version]
- Heavenly versions of You Love Us & Spectators Of Suicide
- Alt Heavenly version of You Love Us from Japanese single [thanks Dancing Kirby]
- Alt radio edit of the Heavenly version of You Love Us [thanks Porco]

Generations Terrorists & B-Sides
- Slash 'N' Burn (alt US mix with session drums)
- Nat West - Barclays - Midlands - Lloyds (alt US mix with session drums)
- You Love Us (alt US mix with session drums & 7" Version) [thanks Porco]
- Little Baby Nothing (alt US mix with session drums, original 'Streetcar Named Desire' intro & radio edit) [thanks Porco & Nobody]
- Crucifix Kiss (alt US Mix with piano in chorus?) [thanks Dancing Kirby]
- Loves Sweet Exile (intro removed on US version) [thanks Nobody]
- Japanese versions of Never Want Again & Dead Yankee Drawl on Suicide Is Painless single with slightly altered intros [thanks Dancing Kirby]

Gold Against The Soul & B-Sides
- Roses In The Hospital (7" Mix & 5:03 Promo Edit with different lyrics)
- Sleepflower (radio edit from US single) [thanks Nobody]
- La Tristesse Durera (7" Version) [thanks Nobody]
- What's My Name (longer intro on Lipstick Traces version and clip of Repeat) [thanks Nobody]

The Holy Bible & B-Sides
- US version of the whole album
- She Is Suffering (7" Version)
- Revol (alternative version with spoken bits on THB 20) [thanks Nobody]

Everything Must Go & B-Sides
- Design For Life promo edit [thanks Dancing Kirby]
- Australia (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]
- Take The Skinheads Bowling (original version and Lipstick Traces re-record on EMG 10 & 20)
- Dead Passive (original intro not on EMG 10 & 20)
- Hanging On (guitar scrape on single and EMG 20 but not EMG 10)
- Black Garden (Glory Glory intro on single & EMG 20 but not EMG 10)

This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours & B-Sides
- The Everlasting (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]
- If You Tolerate This Then Your Children Will Be Next (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]

Know Your Enemy & B-Sides
- So Why So Sad (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]
- Let Robeson Sing (radio edit with samples removed) [thanks Nobody]
- Ocean Spray (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]

Forever Delayed & B-Sides
- Multiple songs edits best ignored [thanks Dancing Kirby]
- There By The Grace Of God (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]
- Motorcycle Emptiness (2003 promo single edit)

Lifeblood & B-sides
- Empty Souls (single version with different lyrics) [thanks Porco]

Send Away The Tigers & B-Sides
- Underdogs promo version doesn't have cut and paste edit in chorus [thanks Dancing Kirby]
- Your love Alone Is Not Enough (instrumental version issued as promo) [thanks Nobody]
- Indian Summer (instrumental version issued as promo) [thanks Nobody]
- Autumnsong (instrumental version issued as promo) [thanks Nobody]

Journal For Plague Lovers
- Peeled Apples (samples removed on US version) [thanks Dancing Kirby & Nobody]
- Jackie Collins Existential Question Time (clean radio edit with edited lyrics) [thanks Porco]
- Marlon JD (samples removed on US version) [thanks Dancing Kirby & Nobody]
- Instrumental version of whole album issued as promo [thanks Nobody]

Postcards From A Young Man & B-Sides
- Anthem For A Lost Cause (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]
- Instrumental version of whole album issued as promo [thanks Nobody]

National Treasures
- Love's Sweet Exile (Acoustic Blue)
- This Is The Day (instrumental version issued as promo) [thanks Nobody]

Rewind The Film & B-Sides
- Show Me the Wonder (instrumental version issued as promo) [thanks Nobody]
- As Holy As The Soil (Captain Beefheart intro on promo versions) [thanks Porco]

Futurology & B-Sides
- Futurology (radio edit) [thanks Nobody]

Compilations
- Leviathan (intro on download but not CD version)

That's all I can think of for now. In return for the help I could post up the isolated original track intros (where I have them) in Sound & Vision as I don't that should violate the policy against commercially available songs?

[Dancing Kirby]

All that immediately come to mind...

Crucifix Kiss is also a different mix on the US GT. From memory, it amounts to added piano in the chorus.

All the soundbites were removed from the US Journal for Plague Lovers CD.

The Japanese single of You Love Us had a unique mix of the Heavenly version.

For some reason, the Little Baby Nothing b-sides were put on the Japanese M*A*S*H* single with slightly altered intros.

The original free Underdogs download didn't have the infamous cut and paste chorus edit. Still shit, though, Sean.

Most bizarre of all, there's a Design for Life promo edit that cuts the first chorus in half but edits out the libraries gave us power, then work came and made us free' part instead of the more obvious, practical way to edit those verses.

And all the terrible FD edits.

[La_Fouinard]

Wow that's way more than I thought there were!

I'd forgotten about the terrible FD edits, don't think I ever actually listened to a track on it apart from Door To The River. Think I'll safely ignore them from any definitive collection :-)

[Porco]

Off the top of my head there's also;

The 'clean' radio version of Jackie Collins Existential Question Time ("begs a catholic").

The single edit of Empty Souls that has "collapsing like dying flowers" in the lead vocal (though not the backing vocal!).

The Captain Beefheart sample intro to As Holy As The Soil that got radio plays but didn't get clearance so was cut from the final release of RTF.

[Son of Stopped]

Originally Posted by Porco

The single edit of Empty Souls that has "collapsing like dying flowers" in the lead vocal (though not the backing vocal!).

I always thought that was the stupidest edit they did, if they didn't want the song to be thought of as a 9/11 protest song, realise 1985 or To Repel Ghosts instead!

Great idea for a thread and look forward to seeing the final end list, La_Fouinard!

[Porco]

Originally Posted by Son of Stopped

I always thought that was the stupidest edit they did, if they didn't want the song to be thought of as a 9/11 protest song, realise 1985 or To Repel Ghosts instead!

Great idea for a thread and look forward to seeing the final end list, La_Fouinard!

I like to think they were told to do it, and left the backing vocals on purpose. Does anyone know or remember if we had official confirmation of why it happened or who decided? And would it have made any difference whatsoever to the sales and chart position? I suspect not, thanks for nothing Elvis Presley!!(alright, probably not directly his fault, I concede).

[Suicide Aldi]

I prefer collapsing like dying flowers anyway. The twin towers line was always a bit stupid.

[La_Fouinard]

Thanks for all the help so far guys. Also recalled the Stephen Hague versions of Australia & Girl Who Wanted To Be God which I'll update the list with as well.

[Nobody]

Here's afew others:

You Love Us - radio edits for both Columbia and Heavenly versions
Little Baby Nothing (7" version) mainly gets rid of the intro.
Motorcycle Emptiness - there are several cuts of this ranging from just of 3 minutes to about 5.
Love Sweet Exile - the version on the US album has the intro cut out.

Whats my Name (live) - Lipstick Traces version has a slightly longer intro, you can hear the end of Repeat.
La Tristesse (7") I believe the only difference is that it fades out at the end.
Sleepflower (US Radio edit) - only available on the US promo single.

Revol - on THB20 with extra vocals

Australia, the Everlasting,Tolerate, so why so sad, ocean spray, there by the grace, Anthem For A Lost Cause, Futurology- radio edits

Let Robeson Sing - radio edit have both samples cut out

Marlon JB & Peeled Apples - missing samples on US version

Your Love Alone, Autumnsong, Indian Summer, JFPL album, PFAYM album, This Is the Day, Show Me the Wonder - Instrumental versions on promos

Thats about all I can think of at the moment.

Not heard about the different intro to As Holy As The Soil

[p2]

Originally Posted by Nobody

Not heard about the different intro to As Holy As The Soil

It's on the promo CD.

[Nobody]

Originally Posted by p2

It's on the promo CD.

Good to know, will have to look out for it!

[La_Fouinard]

Originally Posted by p2

It's on the promo CD.

Is that the promo CD for the whole album or was there a separate promo that had this version?

[La_Fouinard]

Ok I think if I ignore shortened 7"/radio edits, minor alterations my definitive list of additional tracks and alterations to the standard commercial versions would be

Pre Generation Terrorists
- UK Channel Boredom (including original intro)
- Tennesse (I Get Low) [different lyrics to GT version]
- Heavenly versions of You Love Us & Spectators Of Suicide

Generations Terrorists & B-Sides
- Slash 'N' Burn (alt US mix with session drums)
- Nat West - Barclays - Midlands - Lloyds (alt US mix with session drums)
- You Love Us (alt US mix with session drums) [thanks Porco]
- Little Baby Nothing (alt US mix with session drums)
- Little Baby Nothing (commercial version with original 'Streetcar Named Desire' intro)
- Crucifix Kiss (alt US Mix with piano in chorus?)

Gold Against The Soul & B-Sides
- Roses In The Hospital [7" mix & 5:03 Promo Edit with edited lyrics]
- What's My Name (with longer intro from Lipstick Traces)

The Holy Bible & B-Sides
- US version of the whole album
- Revol (alternative version with spoken bits on THB 20)

Everything Must Go & B-Sides
- Take The Skinheads Bowling (keep both original version and Lipstick Traces re-record on EMG 10 & 20)
- Dead Passive (commercial version with original intro)
- Hanging On (with guitar scrape)
- Black Garden (with Glory Glory intro)

Forever Delayed & B-Sides
- Motorcycle Emptiness (2003 promo single edit)

Lifeblood & B-sides
- Empty Souls (single version with different lyrics)

Send Away The Tigers & B-Sides
- Underdogs (promo version without cut and paste edit in chorus)
- Your love Alone Is Not Enough (instrumental version issued as promo)
- Indian Summer (instrumental version issued as promo)
- Autumnsong (instrumental version issued as promo)

Journal For Plague Lovers
- Jackie Collins Existential Question Time (clean radio edit with edited lyrics)
- Instrumental version of whole album issued as promo

Postcards From A Young Man & B-Sides
- Instrumental version of whole album issued as promo [thanks Nobody]

National Treasures
- Love's Sweet Exile (Acoustic Blue)
- This Is The Day (instrumental version issued as promo)

Rewind The Film & B-Sides
- As Holy As The Soil (commercial version with Captain Beefheart intro from promo versions)

Compilations
- Leviathan (commercial version with intro from download)

Any improvements?

[Bad_Ambassador]

Was the 2003 remix of 'Moyorcycle Emptiness' ever actually physically released?

[La_Fouinard]

Originally Posted by Bad_Ambassador

Was the 2003 remix of 'Moyorcycle Emptiness' ever actually physically released?

I believe it was released on a CD promo that's very hard to get hold of. I'm still trying to hunt it down to get a CD quality version of the track.