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I remember Waters making those comments, too. But, like yourself, I have read nothing from the Manics to actually back that up. I remember an old interview with Richey in which he stated, very much in passing, that if Palestine had oil things would be very different there. And it was definitely Richey making that statement so the interview is at least 24 years old. I Googled Manics and the boycott, but all I got was Waters' comments again. Nothing from the band themselves. |
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And as for Roger Waters mentioned - he didn't actually say the band were supporters to be fair. He himself is absolutely but he was making the general point that many artists worry about speaking out about the Israeli government for fear of being labelled anti-semitic with the exceptions of artists like Costello and the Manics....so he wasn't saying they were supporters only that they had the confidence to express their opinions. I actually can't remember them passing any comment on the conflict....if Richey mentioned that things would be different if Palestine had oil....that be the truth for it is always different if you're sitting on the oil...or if you own the land the oil is sitting on...I appreciate the latter point could bring forth a whole argument in itself...! If anything I've noticed that the band stay away in general from aligning themselves with any organisations and/or charities for that matter except for War Child....can understand why. Quote:
At the time there were more references to the fact he was wearing the same converses as Kurt Cobain when he shot himself. I'm not having a go....I just feel like we need to take a little care around suppositions...in contrast to the authors of this book. For we are better than that
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I agree that they've never really had much conviction about a lot of issues outside of Britain even when Richey was around (not entirely a bad thing mind you). Richey used to say, particularly throughout '94, that he didn't believe that bands or celebrities could make a difference when it came to social issues so maybe they all believe that. It does seem to be a small bone of contention among some Manics fans that a band who were so politically charged lyrically at one time, rarely say anything at all anymore about important issues. Personally, I don't care about that kind of thing, but I can see why a Brit might be a little miffed by their silence especially these days. |
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Urgh, sorry folks, had to check out on this for a bit, all got A Bit Much and was eating up all my brainspace. Never a good sign, at least I'm better at realising it happening these days. I went proper ye olde FMF for a couple of weeks there. Intensely intense srs bznz.
Anyway! Time to jump back in! Not least because it seems the damn book is actually coming out this time, ie tomorrow. Copies have apparently been received by people who preordered, and spotted in shops. It's happening. I am intrigued to see what, if anything, has been taken out - the page count on Amazon remains the same. Beyond that, I really wish this wasn't happening. Just going to catch up with the thread now...
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I'm pretty impressed that the Amazon page lists it as #16 in Opera Singer Biographies.
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For everyone asking about the anti-semitic stuff - Finn's summary is pretty much it:
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Anyway, from an overview/reading around standpoint, I felt like Richey's mental health was one of the main things that the book contorted itself around. It does this a lot, throughout: presents information that you think leads to an obvious conclusion - in this case 'God, Richey was really incredibly mentally unwell' - then says the opposite as its conclusion. We all knew Richey was ill, but it's really starkly drawn and fleshed out in WT - then used to suggest Aspergers, creative genius, ill treatment by someone else, basically just anything other than undeniable serious mental illness. It's maddening (excuse the really-not-intended pun, can't think of a better word).
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A categorisation arguably less ridiculous and incorrect than some of the book's content ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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According to the author it’s because they have to keep omitting private details (addresses, etc.) from the book... I know Richey's flat and details where the band have lived in the past is out there and fans would know the addresses. Maybe it's a legal thing to not mention them? I'm not an author so that's only a guess. I really do think that sales of the book are going to be pretty poor. That's not even me having a downer on the thing. I think it'll soon blow over. I don't think the band will mention it and it already seems those who've read it are taking the info with a pinch of salt. It's disheartening to see fans being excited over receiving the book in the mail. To me it'd be like someone posting dog shit through my mailbox. Last edited by handbag; 13-03-2019 at 16:50. |
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Very much hoping it will be a quickly-forgotten unpleasantry in the grand scheme of things. It’s just so, so sad that it is what it is, rather than what it could have been, and the schism its revealed - and widened.
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