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Old 03-09-2019, 18:47
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Definitely Maybe is well deserving of its plaudits. I mean, it's just a spectacular debut album and one of three Oasis albums in a row that were near perfect (and the only brilliant ones, at that).

THB on the other hand is one of those albums that will impact a small number of people deeply. The reason for that is it's very niche due to the writing style and the subject matter. I'm not a massive fan of it myself, it's just not the type of Manics stuff I like all that much and I wasn't a Manics fan when it came out so I don't have the same level of affinity towards it that fans that grew up with it did. Give me Lifeblood and Journal For Plague Lovers any day.
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Old 03-09-2019, 23:59
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one of three Oasis albums in a row that were near perfect
I'm hazy on my dates, but am praying The Masterplan came out before Be Here Now and you're not insane... haha.

Because, Be Here Now... is not a strong Oasis album. Maybe two or three good tracks. And don't forget that godawful extended version of All Around The World which is about 12 minutes too long...

But I agree otherwise - Definitely Maybe, What's The Story and The Masterplan are three absolutely stellar albums!
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Old 06-09-2019, 14:16
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I'm hazy on my dates, but am praying The Masterplan came out before Be Here Now and you're not insane... haha.

Because, Be Here Now... is not a strong Oasis album. Maybe two or three good tracks. And don't forget that godawful extended version of All Around The World which is about 12 minutes too long...

But I agree otherwise - Definitely Maybe, What's The Story and The Masterplan are three absolutely stellar albums!

The Masterplan is a b-sides compilation that came out AFTER Be Here Now. Yes, it's absolutely brilliant but not technically an "album".

And, Be Here Now is incredible apart from Magic Pie and The Girl In The Dirty Shirt. Agreed, some of the songs are too long and it's way overproduced but don't forget it was recorded on a mountain of cocaine. Don't Go Away, D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me and I Hope, I Think, I Know are up there with the best for me.
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Old 06-09-2019, 15:29
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The Masterplan is a b-sides compilation that came out AFTER Be Here Now. Yes, it's absolutely brilliant but not technically an "album".

And, Be Here Now is incredible apart from Magic Pie and The Girl In The Dirty Shirt. Agreed, some of the songs are too long and it's way overproduced but don't forget it was recorded on a mountain of cocaine. Don't Go Away, D'You Know What I Mean?, Stand By Me and I Hope, I Think, I Know are up there with the best for me.
I know Noel did a reimagined version of Do You Know What I mean for an anniversary boxset of Be Here Now, but I'd love to have the entire album rerecorded as stripped back versions without the over the top production and far too long guitar solos.
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Old 06-09-2019, 17:18
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I agree with a lot of criticism of Be Here Now, but I won't have a bad word said against 'All Around the World'. It's the already over-the-top nature of the album taken over-the-top. A straight-forward four minute song stretched out to nearly ten. You can just see Noel going "hey I've written another nah-nah-nah bit for the end. Stick in another key change while you're at it!" It's so utterly daft it becomes totally gleefully enjoyable. The fact that after sitting through the utterly wretched 'It's Getting Better (Man!!)', it pops its head back around the door and says "ah, you didn't think you'd heard the last of me, did you?" just makes it all the more brilliant. Total brilliant lunacy.

It's also the longest UK number 1 ever, which jars wonderfully with the image of them being musically conservative.
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Old 06-09-2019, 22:38
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I don't mind the Noel rework of D'you know what I mean, but I prefer the snarling cocaine addled over the top dirge of the original. (And the fact that it's a sneaky rewrite of wonderwall to boot.) The rework feels a bit too clever by halves.

But obviously this period remains the great mystery of rock. Over the course of 12 months, Oasis plonked 4 singles with 12 generally brilliant (and some single-worthy songs) into the hands of fans on top of Morning Glory. It was a golden era, but they also literally pissed a sensational 3rd album up the wall.
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I know Noel did a reimagined version of Do You Know What I mean for an anniversary boxset of Be Here Now, but I'd love to have the entire album rerecorded as stripped back versions without the over the top production and far too long guitar solos.
Apparently he tried and got bored
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Old 07-09-2019, 07:34
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Be here now is waaay too loud, the arrangments are waaay too over the top, the ideas are streached waaay too thin, the songs are waaay too long, and the band did waaay too much coke while making it.





Thats what makes it brilliant.
Its a glorious desaater of a record, the likes of which has not been seen since.
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Old 07-09-2019, 14:31
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But obviously this period remains the great mystery of rock. Over the course of 12 months, Oasis plonked 4 singles with 12 generally brilliant (and some single-worthy songs) into the hands of fans on top of Morning Glory. It was a golden era, but they also literally pissed a sensational 3rd album up the wall.
Yes, the lack of foresight in recording so many great songs for b-sides is bizarre when you look back, although I suppose at the time you never know when the bubble's going to burst.

That said, if Noel had kept them, we would have ended up with an eight minute version of 'The Masterplan' with three guitar solos, a six minute 'Underneath the Sky', a really ploddy 'Cloudburst' with strings all over it... at least he had the decency to Be Here Now-ise his lesser songs.
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The demo tape of Be Here Now is much more pleasant to listen to than the finished album. The songs are shorter and the horribly compressed 40 guitar parts all at volume 11 aspect is absent.
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Wonder what the complete demos of The Holy Bible sound like unless we've already heard what's available.
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