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Old 17-09-2018, 14:44
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That's my interest in the reissue gone completely. Nobody Loved You is my absolute favourite song on the album. To think they'd remove that track and leave SYMM is incomprehensible to me. Oh well, money saved I guess!
It's going to sound different but after all these pages and waiting may as well hang on for a tracklisting?
I might have said this before but I'm looking forward to it all sounding out of tune and transposing in fade outs as it battles from the Truth Sound to your Truth Memories of how it went and what it sounded like.
It would have to be a really special CD to begin with Nobody Loved You though.
Wonder if Montana/Autumn/'78 will follow SYMM? Or would it follow the number one single? Be weird having Buildings For Dead People before My Little Empire if they do it that way.
Just see how they've ordered the running. Never knew the band didn't get the release of it near the end of album! This probably hasn't been taken lightly to change how it appeared.
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Old 17-09-2018, 15:09
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It's just going to be the TIMTTMY tracklisting, but with Nobody Loved You swapped with Prologue as track 12. Followed by the remixes/live stuff on disc 1 and a disc 2 with album demos and b-sides + Nobody Loved You. It's not going to be some radical revamp of a classic album, just a seemingly random song swap.

I'm still excited for the demos etc because this is one of my all time top 5 albums I'm talking about and I'm intrigued to hear its rawer side, and I'm going to buy it because of that. But to expect anything more than the previous deluxe versions is just gearing up for a disappointment.
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Old 17-09-2018, 15:15
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Fair points both. I was just a bit shocked at this news because I really love that song and it seemed madness to remove it. It’s hard to imagine TIMTTMY without that song, it’s the emotional core of the album for me. When I first heard the album it was one of only three tracks that I liked! I did grow to love the album over time though.

Hopefully they’ll give us their reasoning behind it and maybe it will make more sense!
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Old 17-09-2018, 15:34
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Finally some reissue news but don't understand why they left off Nobody.
Though I still think SYMM is the worst song on the album by a long stretch, I will defend it for one reason and one reason only: the passion and anger they convey in that songs power.
That being said, Nobody Loved You is still a very powerful song - one of the most powerful on the album and one of the best in general - in an ideal world I'd have them both on the album, but like Jagger said, you can't always get what you want.

This is probably only tangentially related to this but here are the tracks on TIMTTMY from favourite to least favourite:
Tolerate
Everlasting
Tsunami
Nobody Loved You
Ready for Drowning
YSTTFMH
UR TNDR + UR TIRED
My Little Empire
Black Dog
Born a Girl
Be Natural
I'm not working
SYMM

(I'm on mobile, can't be arsed with titles)
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Old 17-09-2018, 16:41
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Pleased we’re getting a re-release, but like others I find the decision to kick off Nobody Loved You quite odd.

Also odd to me personally, because it was literally the last Manics song I played on guitar the other day before this announcement (true story). I would have happily seen I’m Not Working or Born A Girl moved instead, maybe I should have played one of them!?

But none of it really matters a great deal, it’s not like the original album will disappear or we can’t all make our own tracklistings.

Still looking forward to it regardless, especially the now legendary and possibly doomed to disappoint ‘raw’ Tsunami... !
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Old 17-09-2018, 16:49
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I think this is all great news. Looking forward to a mini tour in what will probably be May or June. I'm definitely going to make the effort to go as TIMT was the start of my fandom. The Point Dublin in June 1999 was my first ever gig. Just an amazingly surreal experience (including not realising that a girl asking me to take a picture with her and chatting to me between SFA and the Manics really meant. Once the band started with YSTS I forgot about her completely... Doh!)
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Old 17-09-2018, 18:03
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I think this is all great news. Looking forward to a mini tour in what will probably be May or June. I'm definitely going to make the effort to go as TIMT was the start of my fandom. The Point Dublin in June 1999 was my first ever gig. Just an amazingly surreal experience (including not realising that a girl asking me to take a picture with her and chatting to me between SFA and the Manics really meant. Once the band started with YSTS I forgot about her completely... Doh!)
You stole the sun from her heart...

Although I’d been a fan already for a little while, the original TIMTTMY tour was when I saw my first Manics gig so it holds quite special memories for me too.
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Old 17-09-2018, 18:09
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I was in favour of underdogs getting ditched. Welcome to the deadzone is a far superior song, plus I believe it only got left off the album cos it wasn't finished in time.

Not fussed over nobody loved you. I have 3 or 4 copies of the original album to play if I miss it. Think I prefer prologue as a song anyway
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Old 17-09-2018, 18:27
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Pleased we’re getting a re-release, but like others I find the decision to kick off Nobody Loved You quite odd.

Still looking forward to it regardless, especially the now legendary and possibly doomed to disappoint ‘raw’ Tsunami... !
Yep pretty much this. I think the temptation to fuck with SATT was massive given what a lead balloon Underdogs was. But Nobody Loved You? I don't think they ever played it live much (if ever) which might be behind the dropping of the track. TIMT would be tricky to revise, and I'd ruin it further by putting Montana on there.

Should be good to hear the extra material, although in fairness I live in distant hope that we might get to see some proper footage of the T in the Park show. Full show and it's "take my god damned money!"
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Old 17-09-2018, 18:31
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I was in favour of underdogs getting ditched. Welcome to the deadzone is a far superior song, plus I believe it only got left off the album cos it wasn't finished in time.
It made a lot more sense with SATT as it's a far from perfect album and Underdogs really is that bad. This one smacks more though of a manufactured controversy to get a few more column inches for promotion to me but it's good to know that Wire hasn't lost it .

Prologue is good enough to be on any album but swapping out the only song with a bit of oomph in the last (rather dull) half of the album makes no sense to me
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TIMT would be tricky to revise, and I'd ruin it further by putting Montana on there.
Yep,would be a big improvement in my book. I'd go further and add Socialist Serenade for good measure, at least it wouldn't be dull!


Thanks God this is actually happening though will we get more details this week now or are they hanging out for a Xmas release ?

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Old 17-09-2018, 18:38
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I think the oddest thing is not including the original version of NLY (or Underdogs on SATT 10 for that matter) even on one of the bonus discs. Unless the additional disc(s) is (are) literally too full to contain it, it feels a bit ... weird.

I guess they can do another reissue in the future and call it ‘complete for the first time ever...’

Don’t want to harp on the one negative though, I am still gen-oo-inely excited for this!
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I would have presumed they would have dropped Be Natural. That of course would be a bigger travesty but that's the song they tend to dump on during interviews.

The only reason I can think of for Nobody Loved You being dropped is that the lyrics might make Nicky cringe due to the Richey connection. A dry read of the lyrics isn't very forgiving and perhaps are insensitive. The band have distanced themselves from ownership of Richey and rhetorically repeat how difficult it was for his family. I think in light of that, the band might want to relegate the song to b-side status. That's just a random guess and the song's omission could be as easily be down to a random number generator.
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Old 17-09-2018, 18:50
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The reason I can think of for Nobody Loved You is that the lyrics might make Nicky cringe due to the Richey connection. A dry read of the lyrics isn't very forgiving and perhaps are insensitive. The band have distanced themselves from ownership of Richey and rhetorically repeat how difficult it was for his family.
Possibly, a lot was made in the buildup to the album of it being a 'Richey song' . Then again though replacing it with a song with references to Richey as a 'former friend' and a 'deserter' isnt either ! It's only a personal theory but I often wondered if it was those lines that kept it off the album to start with.
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Old 17-09-2018, 19:18
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Surely the most concerning news...

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Old 17-09-2018, 20:18
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Disappointed that NLY has been dropped from the re-issue as I think it's a great track. That said, I'm still excited for the box set. Here's what I hope will be included.

CD1: The album.
CD2: The b-sides/unreleased song(s)/remixes (I'm hoping Anniversary To No-One actually exists but Sean has cast doubt on this)
CD3: Demos / live tracks
DVD/blu-ray: Complete festival set - Glastonbury or V99 most likely as both were definitely recorded for TV broadcast.

Also a vinyl re-issue.
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