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Old 23-03-2018, 20:20
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but some people here would have you believe that KYE is better than THB (it's all subjective).
Agree, KYE for me is in their top three.

I can't read the text of the Mojo clearly on this Tablet. So in city today I picked up a Mojo and didn't read it, just scanned. They mentioned songs but not how they sound.
So bollocks to it. Friday 13th first day sale it is.
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Old 23-03-2018, 22:55
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Personally, I just enjoy reading about music and sounds in general. Especially before I hear it. Makes me render this ghostly, idealized, vague version of the tracks in my head. That's why I like long, old fashioned album releases too. I like it when my first contact with an album is spectral, an anticipation, a legend.

Journos and reviews are nice and all, but nothing beats a fan with a damn CD. Someone on a thread somewhere -- mr X -- has a promo for some reason. I always imagine a CD, like literally in a CD tray saying TRACK 01 -- 00:02... as the seconds start ticking. The jewel case cover on the floor next to a glass of OJ says, in an austere black and white text, the name of something absolutely new...

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...that I've never heard. And they take like two sentences to say some song is massive and people will be surprised about X or Y. Tremendous stuff .

I remember getting feedback like that about RTF -- 30 Year War being a great track. Made hearing the song for the first time pretty damn exciting.

I think music is so easily undervalued, underpriced, incorporeal and vaporized that any ritual, or description helps incorporate it into this reality. Anchor it down a bit. Give more meaning and heft to it, especially one that proceeds actually hearing it myself.
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It would be a pretty boring pre-album thread if no one talked about about reviews or anything.
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Old 24-03-2018, 13:19
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Old 24-03-2018, 14:46
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Oh yeah, that's going to be a hell! Well nothing holier than anything but I'd rather pay money on the day (for that extra value of investment) and be surprised, disappointed, inspired or some new thing.
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Old 24-03-2018, 19:08
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Not especially interested in reviews before I've heard an album, but I have been known to read them after, often to disagree with them.
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Old 24-03-2018, 19:48
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Not especially interested in reviews before I've heard an album, but I have been known to read them after, often to disagree with them.
Me too. I like reading the background, what it's about (especially with the Manics when they're introducing me to new ideas and concepts), where it was recorded and with which producer, what kind of frame of mind they were in when writing and recording etc. But I tend to avoid two-bit journalists' opinions on their own subjective "review" of a song or entire album.

For example, I loved it when International Blue came out and it made me do a bit of research about Yves Klein and I learnt something new. That is a gold example of why I love this band so much. But I couldn't give a flying fuck about what some kid on work experience at Mojo decides is a banger or a "return to form" or whatever.

I value opinions from genuine fans who have loved the band for a long time and I am genuinely looking forward to all of us lot digesting this exciting new album and discussing it here. It's been way too long since Futurology...
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For example, I loved it when International Blue came out and it made me do a bit of research about Yves Klein and I learnt something new. That is a gold example of why I love this band so much. But I couldn't give a flying fuck about what some kid on work experience at Mojo decides is a banger or a "return to form" or whatever.
Brilliantly put, both points.

It should hardly be a surprise that music journalism is effectively dead on its arse - and it wasn't even the internet that killed it. Be Here Now mania, anyone?

(Admittedly, a shrug for another thread.)
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Some of the reviews I read are from people who've written about the Manics since before I even knew they existed. But I'm a genuine fan I guess, I must know more than they do, I post on a message board, god forbid I could get any insight from someone who writes about music for a living.
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Some of the reviews I read are from people who've written about the Manics since before I even knew they existed. But I'm a genuine fan I guess, I must know more than they do, I post on a message board, god forbid I could get any insight from someone who writes about music for a living.
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That "some kid in Q" is probably a pretty serious manics fan who has the ability and werewithal to put that care and knowledge into a 2000 word essay on that album. It's not super easy to do, compress opinion like that. And real responsibility is involved (unlike just saying something on a thread or a social media post), not only to the readers btw.The "kid" is also responsible for also giving adequate feedback to JDB, Nicky and Sean, so they have some idea what they just made.

Let me take this moment to apreciate and thank one Colin Weston who said Lifeblood was a timeless classic on its release: http://dis11.herokuapp.com/releases/...hers-lifeblood)

Reviews also dictate sales. You'd think they don't but for bands like the Manics whose work isn't judged by soc media buzz and penetration, something like that Simon Price review on Futurology probably shifted at least 8k units in the end, and cemented the album (rightfully) as a late career masterpiece. Him and similar critics, of whom there were plenty, emboldened the band to keep incorporating its electronic elements and musical optimism in further work. (Resistance, by the sound of it), unlike with Lifeblood to SATT where mr Weston's voice up there was the exception.

So, in conclusion -- criticism not only affects us, and sales, it also affects the band themselves. You can be 100% sure they don't aggregate their work with fans' blabbering online, they'd go mad if they did.

Music writing is not the enemy it used to be, it's one of the few remaining counterbalances to total Facebook driven barbarism, where the decimal point in your views counter is the only grade music has. The few people who still work in music writing do so out of ethical reasons and love of music (manics included) alone. The pay is non existent and the (very positive) influence on history is sadly waning.

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It's fine to not read reviews or even have much stock in them. But to make absolute statements and insult an entire profession which the Manics themselves owe their career to, irks me somewhat. The band do have a deep love of music journalism highlighted by the fact the band had the highest number of NME covers.
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Bradders has outdone himself with his ridiculous pronunciation, this time it’s of the word “broken” on the chorus of “Broken Algorithms”. I have no idea how many syllables he’s managed to squeeze out of it, but it’s a lot!
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