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Old 31-10-2013, 17:48
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Manics closing tracks

Listened to satt on the way home from work and it struck me how "throw away" winter lovers is as a big bombastic cliched rock song. It reminded me of how I feel about symm and then I thought of manics opening and closing tunes, and how they differ. I can't think of a bad opening track on an album, yet closing tracks are very hit n miss (more so miss). I'm going to abbreviate everything here for ease (read lazy)

Gt - ctrr is a great tune - hit
Gats - gats is pompous overblown rush lite fodder - miss
Thb - pcp - ace - hit
Emg - nsaf - ace - hit
Timttmy - symm - generic stadium rock - miss
Kye - foswfmc - generic grrr angry power punk - miss
Lb - ca - worst track on the album, ruins perfection - miss
Satt - wl - see foswfmc - miss
Jfpl - wlw - poignant - hit
Pfaym - dbe - generic power pop rubbish - miss
Rtf - 30 year war - boring - miss

So IMO 4 hits and 7 misses. Why do they end on such a damp note?
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Old 31-10-2013, 18:21
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I think the populous is going to disagree with you there. The closers tend to be a lot of peoples favourites from albums. Specifically Lifeblood and Rewind the Film.
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Old 31-10-2013, 18:33
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Agree with GATS and Dont be evil being a rubbish closing track, disagree with freedom of speech, cardiff afterlife, winterlovers and 30 year war though. All are great in there own way and seem to fit perfectly.

SYMM is a funny one though, although its not the best manics song it does sort of leave the album on a somwhat icey note. The thing is, i couldnt imagine anything else fitting at the end of this is my truth, except maybe montana autumn 78.
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Old 31-10-2013, 20:58
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Cardiff Afterlife is the perfect way to close Lifeblood - damn I love that album!
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Old 31-10-2013, 21:28
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I agree that most closers are weaker than the average album tracks:

CTRR: -
GATS: --
PCP: -
NSAF: 0
SYMM: --
FOSWFMC: +
CA: +
WL: -
WLW: -
DBE: ++
3YW: ++

Ratings relative to album quality (PCP and NSAF surely are better than DBE and 3YW).

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Old 31-10-2013, 21:50
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I think PCP is my personal favorite closing track.
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Old 31-10-2013, 22:48
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Lb - ca - worst track on the album, ruins perfection - miss
I've read some shite in my time on this forum but this is the biggest load of steaming shite I've ever seen.
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Old 31-10-2013, 23:13
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Listened to satt on the way home from work and it struck me how "throw away" winter lovers is as a big bombastic cliched rock song. It reminded me of how I feel about symm and then I thought of manics opening and closing tunes, and how they differ. I can't think of a bad opening track on an album, yet closing tracks are very hit n miss (more so miss). I'm going to abbreviate everything here for ease (read lazy)

Gt - ctrr is a great tune - hit
Gats - gats is pompous overblown rush lite fodder - miss
Thb - pcp - ace - hit
Emg - nsaf - ace - hit
Timttmy - symm - generic stadium rock - miss
Kye - foswfmc - generic grrr angry power punk - miss
Lb - ca - worst track on the album, ruins perfection - miss
Satt - wl - see foswfmc - miss
Jfpl - wlw - poignant - hit
Pfaym - dbe - generic power pop rubbish - miss
Rtf - 30 year war - boring - miss

So IMO 4 hits and 7 misses. Why do they end on such a damp note?
Well, on the other hand, Know Your Enemy, Tigers and Journal end with bonus tracks. I see you were satisfied with the Journal's closing, but maybe there's a reason for the other two albums....
I don't hate their endings, though....

Anyway, I must agree with you on Generation Terrorists. That track is not amongst my favourites, but it is indeed a great choice for an ending. Especially when you think how the very song finishes too --- "there's nothing I wanna see, there's nowhere I wanna go".
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:23
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Well, on the other hand, Know Your Enemy, Tigers and Journal end with bonus tracks. I see you were satisfied with the Journal's closing, but maybe there's a reason for the other two albums....
I don't hate their endings, though....

Anyway, I must agree with you on Generation Terrorists. That track is not amongst my favourites, but it is indeed a great choice for an ending. Especially when you think how the very song finishes too --- "there's nothing I wanna see, there's nowhere I wanna go".
Agree gt starts and ends perfect:

First line on lp "you need your stars"
Last line on lp "there's nothing I wanna see, theres nowhere I want to go"

Perfectly summed up their disillusion as they commented on the music scene at the time: boring, sterile, easy, no rock stars. By the end of recording richey (more so than others) was demoralised by the time in the studio - making his collage then ripping it down burning it, the emptiness he felt when shopping on the 'company credit card', drinking and sonic the hedgehog
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Coming to the defence of GATS as an album closer here!
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:05
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Its a shame donkeys was recorded after gold against the soul, as that would have been the perfect closing track.
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Cardiff Afterlife is the perfect way to close Lifeblood - damn I love that album!
THESE. It's a beautiful track! And I love how it just ends abruptly, like a massive musical full stop. I think apart from SYMM and Don't Be Evil I've loved all the closers, they've always done them well, same for the openers for that matter.
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Lb - ca - worst track on the album, ruins perfection - miss
Jfpl - wlw - poignant - hit
Rtf - 30 year war - boring - miss
I think to some extent you have a point, but disagree completely with these three.
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I was just thinking the other day that RTF was unusual in that I actually liked the last song, which bar PCP was a rarity for me.
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Cardiff Afterlife is my favourite Manics song.

Then again I wouldn't expect any different than silly views from a Blues fan....!!!
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