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Old 22-04-2018, 17:06
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Oh, sure, didn't mean to come across as too critical, don't mind me - I just find it fun thinking about the thinking about it too.
Naaah, fair point innit and kin hell can derail a thousand times thinking about shit and thinking about thinking about shit

I wonder, if they were starting out now, how much different if at all their influenecs would be than if they were starting out. I mean, obviously everything they were influenced by then would still exist, but different time, different place is going to have an effect on your perception of the world and what makes you tick eh? Maybe they wouldn't have been as angry and alienated growing up in the mid 90s as the mid 80s. Maybe they wouldn't have heard London Calling if they weren't arond to see it coming out. What if they did have xboxes and computers? Maybe, maybe, maybe, what if, what if, what if...
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Old 22-04-2018, 17:29
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Ah, back when people bought records

Just checking the album charts for this time in 1992, Right Said Fred were number one, been trying to find out but no joy, dunno how many copies that had to shift to get to number one in 1992. Few more than Greatest Showman, I'd expect..
Ah Right Said Fred....back in the day when music was music and people loved it so much they bought it in 100s of 100s of 1000s.... Now if that doesn't tell you that volume of physical sales tells you nothing about quality I do not know what will

The physical sales are probably all down primarily to older (ish) fans and demented ones, sorry did I type that out loud? I meant collector ones....I've no idea how the charts work now but I guess it's hard to really register every download or increasingly now streamed album......do many listen or stream an entire album rather than just a few songs? Lots of listens which never add up to an album sale whereas in the past you had to buy the CD or cassette listen to it through once then just stick to the few tracks you liked.....cept for the ruddy tapes - fast forward, forward, forwar..., rewind, rewind, re....feck. Which would really be my preference for many albums - the ones you love for every track are very rare so sales don't tell you everything. But sure that might not matter too much for established bands with a big enough following to back that up with lots of press and stadium tours but bands starting out must just have to live in a camper van and tour in any venue they can find but maybe that's been true for a long while, maybe the Manics got lucky and more money does seem to have been invested in bands back in the days of charts but bands could be quickly dropped if they didn't deliver on the expectation....it's maybe long been hard for a band to build up over time and instant fame doesn't do good things for everyone.....I wonder if Nirvana, Amy Winehouse, Jeff Buckley may have fared better with less scrutiny and fame so quick....



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Isn't it fun to think about though?
Stranger things

Maybe they'd be like the band Shame....there's a similar attitude there...and though only young their influences are the likes of Iggy, The Fall and Bowie
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Old 22-04-2018, 19:28
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I really like it all - not sure it’s going to break into my top 5 albums but a lot of fun on there. It does feel more like a collection of songs than an album, and you can see the DNA of most of the album in stuff they’ve done in the past. There’s a lot to enjoy here and I hope they play a good chunk of it on the tour.
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Old 23-04-2018, 00:04
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I really like it all - not sure it’s going to break into my top 5 albums but a lot of fun on there. It does feel more like a collection of songs than an album, and you can see the DNA of most of the album in stuff they’ve done in the past. There’s a lot to enjoy here and I hope they play a good chunk of it on the tour.
See, I too initially thought it sounded like a collection of songs as opposed to an album. After listening for a week or so, I now see it more as an album. of two pretty distinct sides, with the first side ending with Liverpool Revisited.
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Old 23-04-2018, 08:26
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Have found that this has started to work for me ab it more in the past couple brief days of spring sunshine. Think this'll make for a decent spring/summer soundtrack at this rate.

My bugbears and pet peeves are still there but I guess resistance IS futile...
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Old 23-04-2018, 13:02
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I just wish it all gave me the rush that the opening to International Blue does.
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Old 23-04-2018, 13:23
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I just wish it all gave me the rush that the opening to International Blue does.
Have you heard Mirror Gaze yet? It makes me want to punch the air.
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Old 23-04-2018, 16:09
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Doesn't look like it's going to be in the top 10 after this week Hopefully the tour will make a bunch of casual fans pick up the album.
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Old 24-04-2018, 20:27
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On first listen ....I thought it was disappointing.....on first listen. There are catchy tracks like Dylan & Caitlin but despite taking up the little available space I have in my head for the past 2 weeks it lacks substance we expect from Manics, a relationship damaged by alcohol yet its so light lyrically and musically it just never quite connects .... but.....after a few listens the album overall really gets into your bloodstream. Funny there's been talk about what the band would be like if starting out now and Porco's comment about what would 1986 be if it was 2018... cos this album does have a real 80s feel about it.
Very anthemic, the recognisable melancholy's there threading through but maybe People Give In, the opener I love, sets the tone of finding hope despite everything It is a surprisingly hopeful record.
Liverpool Revisited sounds too simple/easy...on first listen but it works, a paean of hope that's genuinely affecting. In Eternity, another favourite, with its Dylan Thomas nicked lines Dark is a way / Light is a place finds hope in memories left...International Blue is still a true stand out, play it loud ('as long as the music's loud enough we won't hear the world fall apart')...there's a little of Australia in there.....sheer beauty of escape, vast skies, freedom...
In contrast the tribute that is Vivian seems a little lost when it reaches the chorus....& she doesn't seem like a character who'd want her name shouted out....another very 80s feel though....
I feel like I shouldn't like Hold Me Like a Heaven ...get out the lighters & sway along now.woooaah woooargh...but, if they let lighters into gigs, we'll all be swaying along (after a drink or two?) Broken Algorithms takes me back to my metal days Maybe the most/only political in your face track on there....maybe along with Sequels for Forgotten Wars a bit of Generation Terrorists in there too for sure

& maybe memory & the past always seeming to hold more meaning than the present runs through Distant Colours, The Left Behind...I love that line 'The squadron never dies/ falls quickly to demise'...and throughout my probable overall favourite song on there A Song for the Sadness
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Old 24-04-2018, 20:36
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On first listen ....I thought it was disappointing.....on first listen. There are catchy tracks like Dylan & Caitlin but despite taking up the little available space I have in my head for the past 2 weeks it lacks substance we expect from Manics, a relationship damaged by alcohol yet its so light lyrically and musically it just never quite connects .... but.....after a few listens the album overall really gets into your bloodstream. Funny there's been talk about what the band would be like if starting out now and Porco's comment about what would 1986 be if it was 2018... cos this album does have a real 80s feel about it.
Very anthemic, the recognisable melancholy's there threading through but maybe People Give In, the opener I love, sets the tone of finding hope despite everything It is a surprisingly hopeful record.
Liverpool Revisited sounds too simple/easy...on first listen but it works, a paean of hope that's genuinely affecting. In Eternity, another favourite, with its Dylan Thomas nicked lines Dark is a way / Light is a place finds hope in memories left...International Blue is still a true stand out, play it loud ('as long as the music's loud enough we won't hear the world fall apart')...there's a little of Australia in there.....sheer beauty of escape, vast skies, freedom...
In contrast the tribute that is Vivian seems a little lost when it reaches the chorus....& she doesn't seem like a character who'd want her name shouted out....another very 80s feel though....
I feel like I shouldn't like Hold Me Like a Heaven ...get out the lighters & sway along now.woooaah woooargh...but, if they let lighters into gigs, we'll all be swaying along (after a drink or two?) Broken Algorithms takes me back to my metal days Maybe the most/only political in your face track on there....maybe along with Sequels for Forgotten Wars a bit of Generation Terrorists in there too for sure

& maybe memory & the past always seeming to hold more meaning than the present runs through Distant Colours, The Left Behind...I love that line 'The squadron never dies/ falls quickly to demise'...and throughout my probable overall favourite song on there A Song for the Sadness
Great review. Thanks.
Can’t believe how some people are whining about this record, I’m with you on this one.
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Am I the only asshole who thinks of Goodbye Horses everything I hear the verse and chorus for "A song for the Sadness"?

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