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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free (Post 2676087)

You're not wrong - but my image of the Manics of this decade is them playing Motorcycle Emptiness and You Stole the Sun on repeat with James in a suit that's too big for him pointing the guitar at the audience because low and behold there's another new guitarist on stage behind him.

If there was some suggestion they might be some different tracks in the second part them I'd be tempted but I don't know. There are only so many times to hear ME, International Blue, YLU, MJ, Your Love Alone, EMG etc etc, especially when James plays less and less guitar on them.

Totally agree on the James not playing the guitar anymore argument, but genuine question - will there not be enough tracks you haven’t seen before in the first half? Even on the THB and EMG tours there were still some additional rarities in part 2.

According to the e-mail I got from ticketmaster, tickets go on sale tomorrow at nine, except the York date which goes on sale at ten.

Is there a reason for this except to make me have to organise my working day around being at my desk for two different times?

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Originally Posted by Marconi Delorian (Post 2676018)

If they put a bit of thought in to this, they could really make it special - not just 'Full album, interval, hits' - build a setlist around the album, sequence it with other songs that complement the album, add a couple of the b-sides and order it accordingly - kick off with Prologue, end with Tolerate. Born a Girl goes in the solo spot, that kind of thing. Or end with all 3 songs from the Masses single. So many ways to shake it up, please at least consider this!

Garbage did this with their 20th tours for Garbage and Version 2.0. And to be fair, both albums would probably work in tracklist order. I fully expected album then hits but they went into the deep cuts from the era, the B-sides, the one offs, the lot (and the screens had some ace old footage on there as well.) Really worked well.

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Originally Posted by tomd2103 (Post 2676088)

I was pretty happy with the setlist on the RIF tour to be honest (went to the Birmingham gig) and it was good to hear some songs they don't normally play. There are certainly some songs off TIMT that I would like to hear live again (Not Ready For Drowning, My Little Empire and Black Dog on My Shoulder being three examples) and it would be good to hear Prologue to History live.

It's just that I have always felt that the second half of the album does drag a bit and I'm not sure how it will play out live.

Yea, I agree it might be a bit of a lull. I just want to hear some different songs, and after years of complaining about the same GH set they’re really delivering so I’m thrilled.

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Originally Posted by Routine Builder (Post 2676074)

Not sure why people are complaining about the base ticket prices? Manics tickets have been between £40 and £55 since I could remember. The other surcharges are industry wide sadly.

I recently booked tickets for a charity gig. Somehow Gigsandtours saw fit to charge over £17 worth of surcharges for it. But that's the UK, cartels and monopolies is what we love.

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Originally Posted by The Crow (Post 2676075)

The NT night in December 2011 was £38

If I'm right THB Tour in 2014 was a bit less

Booking Fees have risen on purpose when the law changed in January this year in terms of all the fees so what they are all doing is charging it within the BF which is a joke, I don't need to book something I'm already going to!!

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Originally Posted by centralscrutiniser (Post 2676076)

Surely this is a pretty standard price? When we’re tickets for a band of this size in those venues any cheaper?
If there was a standard set list from the last tour which contained the usual but also born a girl and be natural, we’d all be going apeshit. It’s not about the singles or whatever they play after, it’s to see those songs which may never be played again. In thrilled for all this.

Hmm Manics gig prices have gone up over the last few years; not by crazy amounts (I'm sure Sean replied to someone on Twitter around the time the RIF tour was announced saying they do try to keep the prices as low as possible), but they are more now than about 4-5 years ago. I've just dug my ticket stub out from the last time they played Manchester Ritz in 2013 and the face value was £29.50 + booking fees. THB20 tour was mostly £32.50 + booking fees (Cardiff Castle was £37.50, but obviously that was a big outdoor gig, so you expect to pay a bit more for an event like that). They've gradually crept up with every tour and booking fees seem worse now more than they've ever been for companies like Ticketmaster and See.

Live entertainment in general has gone a bit crazy recently. No, the Manics are nowhere near the worst offenders, but the cost of everything is more than a few years ago (I don't know about anyone else, but my supermarket and utility bills are a damn sight more now than even two years ago yet my wage hasn't gone up in line with inflation). I can see why someone might be put off getting tickets for anything these days, especially if you've got to factor in travel/accommodation costs as well. It all adds up.

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Originally Posted by The Crow (Post 2676070)

Steep Price for the gigs, considering we know the rest of the set will be just singles but I hope they throw in PTH

Of course they will, it’s track 12 on the album #fakenews

If they don't play Prologue I'm going to have a right old hissy fit. I've been waiting 16 years for them to play it again. It sounds so good when you can't hear Naysmth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wBKd1V0MhjU

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Originally Posted by Routine Builder (Post 2676099)

That is so good! I was a poor student at this period and missed the Lipstick Traces tour, such an error on my part.

Now I'm down the HMV gig wormhole. James' voice still had the 'bite' to it then - doubt he'll sing Prologue like this next year :\

I know it's still early but neither ticketmaster, gigsandtours or see tickets websites will load. Keep getting *failed to open page* :(

Was able to get my 3rd Dublin standing ticket quite easily this morn though had to open a new browser tab, the original tab still has a spinning circle instead of a button to buy tickets.

If you look at the inner sleeve of the vinyl in the email they just sent out, it shows Nobody Loved You before Prologue to History.

Just go to the direct websites - Bath forum has tickets for £43 with fees, De Montford also has its own.

Currently doing London night 1 and Leicester - may do Bath but I'll wait 'til nearer the time to decide.

Well that was fun .. no wifi so mobile internet but i got a ticket for saturday london and york

Ticketmaster decided to be a mess again, but I finally managed to get a ticket for London. See you there + Cambridge & Bath!

Easy compared to Wednesday.

Got tix for Liverpool and have booked hotel.All sorted:D