Originally Posted by savemejebus (Post 2699637)

I think a far more straightforward answer is that Nicky believes PFAYM would have been more commerically successful if it followed on directly from SATT. They'd had a big hit with YLAINE, moderate radio play with Autumnsong and so commercially it would make sense to follow up with an album that would be another commercial effort. Nicky probably still thinks that PFAYM is the greatest thing since sliced pan instead of an overproduced attempt at a polished turd, and so I can imagine him thinking they missed out on 'mass communication' because they created proper art in between those two albums.

If you think there was discomfort at grave robbing or anything I think one should remember that they were happy capitalising on Richey's image and lyrics in Judge Yr'self and using the sacroscant 'folder lyrics' in Picturesque.

Originally Posted by savemejebus (Post 2699639)

As for integrity, still snowing in sapporo, speaks volumes to that.....

Originally Posted by MSPKYE (Post 2699642)

First review has dropped!

https://recordcollectormag.com/revie...tical-thinking

Originally Posted by rosetree (Post 2699640)

They used Richey's words with good intention to create JFPL from his unseen work, even though some fans so clued into him might say it shouldnt have been made and he would've agreed... To say they wanted to make money out of him is a typical deluded comment and I think the band knew him more than manics experts.

Originally Posted by Tish (Post 2699641)

What's wrong with Still Snowing in Sapporo? I thought it was beautiful, one of the highlights of the last album.

Originally Posted by MSPKYE (Post 2699642)

First review has dropped!

https://recordcollectormag.com/revie...tical-thinking

Originally Posted by Mr Richey (Post 2699643)

Yeah, Nicky Wire mocking the notion of “It’s okay to not be okay” sounds like a proper riot �� And to openly mock the concept of “Be kind” in one song only to then say “It takes guts to be kind” later in a song that’s ostensibly about how we should all forgive fucking Morrissey?! Jesus wept…

Originally Posted by savemejebus (Post 2699637)

I think a far more straightforward answer is that Nicky believes PFAYM would have been more commerically successful if it followed on directly from SATT. They'd had a big hit with YLAINE, moderate radio play with Autumnsong and so commercially it would make sense to follow up with an album that would be another commercial effort. Nicky probably still thinks that PFAYM is the greatest thing since sliced pan instead of an overproduced attempt at a polished turd, and so I can imagine him thinking they missed out on 'mass communication' because they created proper art in between those two albums.

If you think there was discomfort at grave robbing or anything I think one should remember that they were happy capitalising on Richey's image and lyrics in Judge Yr'self and using the sacroscant 'folder lyrics' in Picturesque.

Originally Posted by tomd2103 (Post 2699648)

the comments in the interview seemed to suggest it was because it was a commercial failure (as above Nicky Wire was suggesting that they should have released Postcards instead to build on the commercial success of Tigers).

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 2699647)

I have to admit this has grabbed my curiosity. If he's merely criticising the cut and paste sloganeering (dare I say) virtue signalling on social media, I get it. It would certainly be a lot more petty to actually oppose the intended compassion and changing of attitudes reflected in this lyric:



As for the Morrissey part, I'll reserve judgement until reading the full lyrics and hearing the full song, but I wonder if Wire is yearning for the Morrissey he idolised in his youth as many former fans seem to now, he was part of that generation after all. I personally never liked him* so from the outside it appears as if the tide has turned and I've noticed many people lamenting the lost version of who they thought he was and what they felt he represented.

From this review, the song I am most interested in hearing is '(Was I) Being Baptised'.

*On a related note, as a lifelong anti-Morrissey man, the 1985 lyric was already questionable for me, so the prospect of the Manics even having a song like 'Dear Stephen' is maximum cringe. :lol:

Originally Posted by sofarsideways (Post 2699600)

I can’t believe people are shrugging at the frontman of the great political band not even bothering to vote. And the member who’s so proud of his politics degree throwing in some more excuses for that self-indulgent apathy. Looking back now… we slippery-sloped here, huh? There were signs for a long time. I just didn’t or wouldn’t see them for what they were. I still haven’t really accepted it. This band was my LIFE.

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 2699649)

If that is what they truly believe, it's certainly odd considering how well it was received. I remember going into HMV the week it was released or the week after and seeing it at #3 in the charts, behind Eminem and Green Day who inevitably would always sell more anyway. Reviews were consistently positive, the tour was well received.

I absolutely love the album, down to the songwriting, the artwork, Albini's production, and I never felt alone in that enjoyment of it. A strange shame the band don't touch it live.

Originally Posted by tomd2103 (Post 2699651)

The interview I read was in Mojo, "He (NW) thinks they probably should have gone straight into 2010's similarly 'big and bombastic' Postcards From a Young Man but Bradfield wanted to make Journal For Plague Lovers which honoured Edwards' final cache of lyrics. 'That was a f@cking curveball' says Wire. 'Artistically we gained but commercially we threw people off the scent again."

Originally Posted by ZiZi (Post 2699653)

Do albums still leak early these days? I vividly remember the times checking the Radiohead forum.