A dwarf takes his cockerel out of the cockfight - Forever Delayed

bristarman · #1 29-07-2009, 10:01

Has anyone seen a film by Werner Herzog called Even Dwarfs Started Small?

Plot from wikipedia (because I'm lazy):
'A group of dwarfs confined in an institution on a remote island rebel against the guards and director (all dwarfs as well) in a display of mayhem. The dwarfs gleefully break windows and dishes, abandon a running truck to drive itself in circles, engineer food fights and cock fights, set fire to pots of flowers, kill a large pig, torment some blind dwarfs, and crucify a monkey.'

I watched it last year and ever since hearing Peeled Apples have considered this was maybe the source. I've read an interview where Nicky mentions Herzog, I think, although not in this context obviously.

ClintEastwood · #2 29-07-2009, 10:34

I've always wondered about that line. I'll see if I can rent or buy the movie : D

wireobsessed · #3 29-07-2009, 11:14

Might be good ta take a look at thanks. I just love the random nature of that line and of Richey's ideas.

ZiZi · #4 29-07-2009, 11:40

manics.nl will have their work in updating with JFPL

gabo86 · #5 29-07-2009, 15:02

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manics.nl will have their work in updating with JFPL

manics.nl seems to be dead

ZiZi · #6 29-07-2009, 16:49

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manics.nl seems to be dead

This is what they say:

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gabo86 · #7 29-07-2009, 17:08

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This is what they say:

I know, but the last modifications have been done in 2008...and now there's a new album, an album full of references...so...it's kinda sad...

Especially for not native english speakers, manics.nl is a way to understand their songs...in fact i barely understand the meaning of some JFPL songs!

gladstone · #8 30-07-2009, 17:47

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manics.nl will have their work in updating with JFPL

Anyone know when this will be happening I've been checking it occasionally for weeks

Bathtub · #9 29-07-2009, 15:07

Yeah I've seen it and thinking about it, it could well be the source.It's a pretty odd film although not one of Herzog's best in my opinion.

Nicky mentioned the Herzog film Aguire:Wrath of God (a seriously good film btw) as the inspiration behind "4everdelayed" (the song) and Herzog is mentioned in "The convalescent."

Plus with Richey being a fan of Ian Curtis, who watched the Herzog film "Stroszek" before he hung himself, he was almost certainly aware of him.

Slideling · #10 29-07-2009, 22:49

Good pointer, ta

Slideling · #11 29-07-2009, 22:56

I wondered that myself, whether it's a cultural barrier, or the 'Richeyness' of it I don't get. Interesting.

penfoldsfive · #12 29-07-2009, 23:52

it sounds like the movie that was playing in the background during ian curtis last scene in twenty four hour party people. the part about the truck going in circles....

MickeyMo · #13 30-07-2009, 15:44

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it sounds like the movie that was playing in the background during ian curtis last scene in twenty four hour party people. the part about the truck going in circles....

Well, in real life (pardon the awkward phrase) Curtis had been watching Herzog's film Stroszek before hanging himself.

roi · #14 03-01-2011, 14:55

Ha. Just googled the film after watching it and this thread came up. The dwarf/cockfight reference is pretty clear, but wasn't there a quote at some point from Richey about piglets suckling their dead mother (which happens in the film)? It's a very fucked up film.

manicbill · #15 03-01-2011, 15:32

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Originally Posted by roi

Ha. Just googled the film after watching it and this thread came up. The dwarf/cockfight reference is pretty clear, but wasn't there a quote at some point from Richey about piglets suckling their dead mother (which happens in the film)? It's a very fucked up film.

It's a quote used on the GT sleeve, it's from Confucius.

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"I saw some piglets suckling their dead mother. After a short while they shuddered and went away. They had sensed that she could no longer see them and that she wasn’t like them any more. What they loved in their mother wasn’t her body, but whatever it was that made her body live."