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08-10-2019, 00:05
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Manics covers that were better than the originals...
... and the ones that missed the mark.
What do you think, people? Where did the boys excel and where should they have thought again? Personally, I think "Umbrella," "Working Class Hero," "Pennyroyal Tea," "Charles Windsor" and "Wrote for Luck" vastly improved on the originals. On the side, I much prefer the originals of "Velocity Girl," "Red Sleeping Beauty," "What's My Name" Funny, with the 3 McCarthy covers, I kind of feel "Charles Windsor" is amazing, "Bourgeois" (sp.?) is as good as the original, and "Red Sleeping Beauty" is pretty weak. One from each category
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08-10-2019, 08:18
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The one cover which really bugs me is "Umbrella" because it's part of a trend I really hate - male guitar bands covering great pop tracks by women. It always comes with a whiff of irony and sexism which riles me. There is no way in which the Manics' "Umbrella" is better than Rihanna's original, which is an absolutely perfect pop song. I mean, I enjoy their version, because it's a competent take on a great song, but if I want to listen to "Umbrella" I'm absolutely going to listen to Rihanna, not the Manics.
Sorry, touched a nerve, rant over  As for their other covers I have no real opinion as I don't really listen to them much - apart from "Out of Time" which I adore, but am not that familiar with the original. Great idea for a thread though! And now I've been reminded how much I love the original "Umbrella" I'm off to watch the video and reminisce about that summer of 2007 when it never stopped raining...
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08-10-2019, 09:54
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Charles Windsor absolutely.
Also It's So Easy. Heh, I like it hard core, can't help it. ♥ For the rest, I'd need to re-listen the originals to compare. I think Raindrops was cute in Manics' version, but better? Questionable. Especially because I was a teenager when I first grew to love it and it does indeed sound fit for a teenage TV drama. I like Damn Dog, Working Class Hero, Pennyroyal Tea and Been a Son too, but as I said before, I can't compare them to their respective originals now. As for Red Sleeping Beauty, it once started playing in my dream while I was taking a nap. The sound felt so real and so loud that it woke me up. It's an experience I'll never forget. And I'd put it in the same category as the so called "exploding head syndrome", which I've been experiencing every now and then since I was young and didn't know was something unusual that had a name.  The three Clash covers I've heard, well, they're cute, but I do prefer the originals here and I believe our favourite uncles would agree too. It seems like they played them just for fun and that's nice, but nothing too serious. Umbrella, it's okay, but I wasn't too impressed by either version, to be honest. I do respect Rihanna, but mainstream pop is just not my scene. I don't hate it, but it doesn't speak to me for most of the part. Can't Take My Eyes Off You and Last Christmas were a bit over simplified in my humble opinion. But they were cute too. That's it for now, I might come with more later.
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08-10-2019, 10:33
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While I'm sure this was not the Manics' intent, it plays into that mindset regardless. Female-sung pop song suddenly becomes culturally acceptable thanks to all male rock band cover version. Yeah ... no! As for the original question: Bright Eyes, Pennyroyal Tea, Last Christmas and Take the Skinheads Bowling were all improvements on the originals. Velocity Girl too.
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15-10-2019, 11:59
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Suppose it depends on how and why you've done the cover. If it's a sincere tribute, great. I am leaning towards letting Manics off for that one though cos I love em and they wrote Little Baby Nothing. They're not cock rock. And to be honest, I think there are a couple of bits of Umbrella that read like they could've been written by Wire anyway! "These fancy things will never come in between You're part of my entity, here for infinity When the world has took its part When the world has dealt its cards If the hand is hard, together we'll mend your heart" It's quite a dark and bittersweet for a pop song really. I don't think they covered it for a laugh or out of any chauvinism but I wonder if it was their way of showing that they're not dinosaurs and they are aware of modern music. I sound like a grandad... You forget just how many covers they've done. Wouldn't say there's any I think are particularly shit, they've made some interesting choices over the years. Think my favourite is probably the version of Clampdown James did on his solo tour.
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15-10-2019, 23:13
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There's not many covers by male artists of songs originally sung or written by female artists when one thinks on.....although there's a cover of the Kate Bush song This Woman's Work by Maxwell which is a real tribute as well as making it his own
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08-10-2019, 13:31
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Wake Up Alone is pretty awesome. Can't believe that was recorded more than 12 years ago!
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08-10-2019, 19:54
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The Manics are such a particular band with a particular make-up and chemistry and identity that any cover they do sounds like the Manics trying to do a cover.
It's also the reason why no one has covered the Manics or even cites them as an influence. All the Manics' covers are great in their own way - I think Suicide is Painless, It's So Easy, Train in Vain, Pennyroyal Tea, and Sweet Child are all great fun. But I can't take any cover they do too seriously. And in response to the particular point of OP's post, the Manics haven't improved on any of the originals in the slightest.
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08-10-2019, 19:57
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Acoustic version of Red Sleeping Beauty, no contest...
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08-10-2019, 22:05
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This is the Day for me. I love that. They've really made that one their very own. And Velocity Girl
But Pennyroyal Tea can't touch Nirvana...should be ashamed of yourselves ...though I think Hole performing that one live is the best version
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08-10-2019, 23:35
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I really love loads of the Manics’ covers and I don’t feel like it needs to be a competition with the original versions really, I think it’s often a very complicated thing to compare covers with originals, because there’s often so much more than simply comparing two recordings - there’s nostalgia, originality, context, preferences of style/vocalists/production...
With that said, I can say one of my favourite covers the Manics have ever done possibly benefits from my not ever having heard the/an original recording (if it even exists?) (!) - The Horrors’ Vision Blurred. (Did the ‘original’ ever get released?) The nearest I’ve heard to an original version is a short, heavily distorted clip of a live performance on YouTube... The Endless Plain of Fortune cover needs mentioning too, I love that.
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09-10-2019, 17:34
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27-11-2019, 00:11
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