Anyone else think `Zeitgeist` is a complete masterpiece?

[comradestripe]

Originally Posted by everlasting

Oh shit, as I type track 8 just started and that is the worst thing ever, have to skip this one!

Originally Posted by Son of Stopped

Is it wrong that I can still remember what track 8 is even though I haven't heard it for ages?

Haha - I haven't listened to it since about 2007, and didn't listen to it much then, but knew without looking what track 8 was! Definitely one to skip

[solitude]

Dead thread but I don't care. On the basis of the lovely comments here, I ordered the album from an Amazon reseller. It was £3.50 including the shipping to Canada - more than worth it for 'Everything Fades' alone.

Yeah, I'm a Wire fan for sure but I would not lie to myself and pretend to love the album if I didn't. The word I would use to describe it is 'wabi-sabi'. The appeal is in the flaws and the authenticity. Really, I am shocked at how listenable this album is. I confess that I did not bother to rip the notorious Track 8, though, so I'll never be at risk of hearing it by accident.

As an MSP fan, I stopped following band news during the mid-2000s hiatus and missed out on IKTZ and JFPL (I knew about TGW and SATT but wasn't enthused). That was a big mistake at the time but my life is better now that IKTZ and JFPL are in it.

Oh, it does kinda pain me to see 'sayonara' typed out as 'sianara' in the booklet. And is 'kimino' supposed to be 'kimono'? Because 'kimi no' translates to 'your' or 'my darling's ___'. Is this 'Kimono Rock' or 'Your Rock'? Big difference.

[Automatik]

It's a great album and Nicky is the truth that washes, but that never learned how to spell.

[Anaconda Vice]

Originally Posted by slop101

If you take Zeitgeist, mixed it with a dash of Great Western, with James singing and playing guitar on the whole thing (basically, make a Frankenstein's monster equating to an MSP album) it would be far better than the sum of the parts.

I can see that.

It's a bit like what I thought of Lee Ranaldo's "Between the Times & the Tides" and "Chelsea Light Moving" (Thurston Moore's first post-Sonic Youth album) - combine the best bits of both albums, and you have the makings of a great Sonic Youth album. Same could be said of IKTZ and TGW - there's a great Manics album that never was. "Bad Boys and Painkillers" is essentially a MSP song anyway - lyrics by Nick, music by James...

Listening to IKTZ now, "Stab Yr Heart" currently playing. This album is better than I remember it. I wish it wasn't just a one off, actually.

[Suicide Aldi]

I would LOVE to hear another Nicly solo album at some point.

[Son of Stopped]

I listened to it just now and can't believe I'd put off re-listening to this album for a while!
I'd love to see a gig where this album gets played in full.

[Automatik]

The new songs thread prompted me to put this on for the first time in a few months and I'd just like to repeat my fondness for it, especially I Killed The Zeitgeist, The Shining Path, Bobby Untitled, Sehnsucht and of course Stab Yr Heart.

Also, it's nearly ten years old: any chance of a deluxe edition with all the b-sides and unreleased tracks, and a global tour?

[everlasting]

I do like quite a few songs off this album, especially You Will Always Be My Home.

[Tim]

I get a lot more out of this album than the great western but i fail to understand why people can't enjoy both. I'm sure there's a classic manics album in there somewhere if you combined both, it's just that each on their own is lacking something essential you only get with the complete band: music full of hope but lyrics full of doubt.

edit: i'm listening to the great withdraw/retreat and jamesy's backing vocals are just gorgeous.

[Automatik]

Originally Posted by Tim

I get a lot more out of this album than the great western but i fail to understand why people can't enjoy both. I'm sure there's a classic manics album in there somewhere if you combined both, it's just that each on their own is lacking something essential you only get with the complete band: music full of hope but lyrics full of doubt.

edit: i'm listening to the great withdraw/retreat and jamesy's backing vocals are just gorgeous.

I love both solo albums in their own way. I've often wondered what a merger of the two would have sounded like; really the only track on both that approaches the usual division of labour* (i.e. music JDB, words Nicky) is Bad Boys And Painkillers on TGW - incidentally one of my favourite tracks on that album. Love the way it takes off and soars.

*excluding the numerous b-sides on which Nicky takes lead vocals, of course.

[Phil C]

I like The Great Western but for me Zeitgeist is the better of the two. And I struggle to see how a hybrid album could work - TGW is a very (probably too) shiny record of mainstream pop-rock while Zeitgeist sounds like it was recorded for an indie label in the early 80s (and all the better for it). Leave them as they are - although 'Send Away The Tigers' could have done with 'Bad Boys and Painkillers' which is a *killer* track (and possibly 'The Wrong Beginning' too just to make it a little more interesting).

[Automatik]

I agree that Bad Boys And Painkillers would have made an excellent addition to SATT.

One other track that reminds me of a merger of the TGW and IKTZ sounds is (the wonderful) Lady Lazarus, admittedly with a much stronger influence from the latter.

And I'm now off to listen to all the SATT-era b-sides, because they're glorious. Thanks for the reminder!

[Son of Stopped]

It would have needed a title change but I want to hear James do at least an acoustic cover of Nicky Wire's Last!

[Lindz Delirium]

We should have had a 10th anniversary IKTZ tour.
Imagine that.

[Takk]

I'm not sure we'd survive! haha