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This suggestion that the Manics would have stood a better chance of pulling off their mass communication ambitions if only they'd written generic electro pop like Paparazzi instead of generic dad rock is pure folly. The masses still wouldn't have cared and we'd all be moaning about how it's a poor man's Take My Breath Away. Honestly, it's like being back in the playground and telling Vanilla Ice fans to go and fuck themselves and their shit fad all over again. |
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Bingo! There are 296543 acts out there doing way more exciting, inventive or well-crafted electropop than her.
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As for her not writing her own songs, I didn't realise that, my bad. |
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while it's annoying to like an album and have to see arseholes like me bitching, understand that i don't begrudge anyone their enjoyment of the record, i wish i did. but bear in mind when navigating the negativity here that, Manics forum aside, the buzz on this album generally is very poor. Last edited by pennyroyalty; 05-09-2010 at 18:19. |
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which incidentally renders much of what Cameron33 is saying as irrelevant.
nice try :-) Yes the music industry has changed. What I was saying, however, was very simple - that nobody will remember her music in 40 years time. It is not bad pop music, but it is throwaway pop music. Music for this week, this year, maybe next year (as a cheesy throwback song at the nightclub)- that's it. Full stop. I simply objected to the holding up of Lady Gaga as a singer/producer of amazing pop songs. It's simply bullshit. Kids (maybe the wrong term as I mean teenagers who are old enough to begin exploring their personality and music) are still being blown away by THB nearly 20 years on, Abbey Road more than 40 years on. If anyone is still raving about her music in 2020, let alone 2040, I'll personally buy ten copies of everything she's ever produced cos its not gonna happen. I don't dislike her or her music, but you might as well say that in 100 years time Stephen King will be held in the same regard as Dickens or Shakespeare. But he's so popular! That's all we have been discussing here. |
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you guys are to Lady Gaga in 2010 what shoegaze fans were to Manic Street Preachers in 1992.
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It's true, I never thought you were personally doing anything other than sticking up for Lady Gaga as an artist in her own right. Whereas...
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Lady Gaga is my favourite artist since MSP.
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Pennyroyaltyi don't have to love it myself, but if they're writing music that some fans think is their absolute best then i can respect it.
the fact that no one here seems to think it's really that good is pretty damning to me Strange argument. So because nobody (in their right mind) considers the album their absolute best, you can't respect it? So let's see, Midsummer nights dream clearly doesnt compete with Shakespeares best work. Bin that then. Beatles, Let it Be? Some people consider it their third best album. But noone considers it their best? Not good enough! What an insult to their fans - bin it. Perhaps I'm making my point in a rather flippant way, but it's late and I'm afraid your argument just seems quite bizzare and misguided. As for me, the fact that most people think the album is decent with some great songs leads me to think that . . . the album is decent with some great songs. |
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"the buzz on this album generally is very poor"
I really don't think it is though, hun. Every muso critique I've read so far has been very positive. Sure some of those music writers are old school fans/friends of the band and I'm not sure they come across as objectively as they should so its perhaps best to take the likes of Price, etc with a grain of salt however, there have been some fairly good responses from random bloggers which suggests to me that there is a genuine unbiased enjoyment of the new album out there. As for the current convo going on about what constitutes 'pop' music and it's ability to reach mass audiences, surely "pulling a Gaga" isn't the only way to guarantee a hit. If it were, it wouldn't explain why bands such as Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Muse, etc sell a shed load of albums and play to sell out crowds everywhere. I think it's a bit redundant these days to assume catchy, danceable tunes are the only way musicians can appeal to the general record buying public. I think perhaps the Manics don't seem to understand this either. |
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Not all records are going to inspire many passionate reactions. And sorry, I've seen plenty of people here, myself included, saying they love PFAYM! Isn't that a passionate enough reaction? This record made jump in joy, made me air guitar, made me bop my head with a stupid grin on my face, made me quite melancholic in others... SATT never did that, for example. Isn't that a strong emotional reaction? But, I insist, there's no way I'm gonna be crazy and say it's better than their masterpieces or that it moves me as deeply as some of the more profound works they've done. It's only natural. Finally, just to close off this subject, I do realize the general reaction to the album has been pretty poor. That doesn't mean a whole lot to me, though. Never has. SATT was pretty well-received (even more by comparison) and to me it's the worst Manics record ever. Lifeblood has MANY more detractors than fans (including the band) and I think it's one of their best ever. Talking about other artists, MGMT's new album has been written off as a mediocre effort and pretty much gone unnoticed and to me it's some of the most brilliant music of the year (not to mention 1000000x better than their praised/hyped to the moon debut). Edit: Actually, like TheGreatPretender mentioned, the music press reaction so far has been pretty great, hasn't it? Mostly 4 stars reviews! Another element to put this whole discussion into another perspective. Last edited by Tetsu; 05-09-2010 at 18:58. Reason: Critical reception |
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