What are the chances of 20th Anniversary Vinyl Pressing of 'The Holy Bible'?

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by Takk

According to who?

Am I anonymous or what?

Originally Posted by Porco

I don't claim to be an expert on vinyl but I'm not convinced 140g is better in terms of potential quality than 180g (at least in principle, I know there are many other factors involved that are more important and that there are many examples of even 120g that sound better than say 200g…), but we're talking a hypothetical release anyway so… *shrugs*

I'd rather have multi-track lossless hi-res digital audio files anyway if we're making up fantasy releases.

the ideal weight soundwise is I think something like 125-130 but with 140 the pressing is easier on existing machines, so it's the best compromise. 180g has significantly worse quality and it's always like that - because of so called non-fills.

Originally Posted by Dancing Kirby

They've never been much of an audiophile band anyway. The recent vinyl releases have been token efforts. The vinyl only b-sides are forever destined to be heard as muddy and flat.

For a THB release to meet the Steve Hoffman forums' seal of approval...

It would need to be a double album, 45rpm.
Mastered from analogue properly.
Not brickwalled.
Vinyl is clear so black vinyl is coloured - and to paraphrase Michael Jackson, it doesn't matter if it's black or white. Or red or blue, though those colours wouldn't really suit the album.

Do not fuck with the Steve Hoffman forums, Sony...

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...344289/page-35

And even if all the above is met, MP3s of the US mix will still sound superior, so it's all about the packaging.

A 4x vinyl of the original and US mixes. One on black, the other on white, in separate sleeves in an outer box to fit a 12x12 book featuring all the crap Nicky said he found. No extra tat. I'll go up to £60, Wire, and you can release a simple THB vinyl for £15 as well. Run to Sony with this, Wire, RUN!!!!

no, the standart material for vinyl production is black, it's a copolymer or vinyl chloride and vinyl acetate and I think there's some black powder or what.
When you take the same stamper and press on black and coloured material and then compare them, even a half-deaf person can hear the major difference in quality.

I agree with double LP with 45rpm. This would be of course the best variant. on black 140g of course, otherwise it doesn't matter
Do you think an analogue tape with the original un-mastered recording exists? If it does then it would be great, otherwise at least 24-bit digital copy could help a bit but only a bit.

But...the power of Holy Bible is not in the sound

[Porco]

Originally Posted by Donkey

the ideal weight soundwise is I think something like 125-130 but with 140 the pressing is easier on existing machines, so it's the best compromise. 180g has significantly worse quality and it's always like that - because of so called non-fills.

Ok mate, I'll take your word for it.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by Donkey

Am I anonymous or what?

Well, you just said it with no evidence, or reason for us to believe you. I'm not sure I'd believe either is better, but plenty of people seem to argue 180g is better, so why is 140g better...and even better if your provide some sources.

[Mr Richey]

Originally Posted by Dancing Kirby

Do not fuck with the Steve Hoffman forums, Sony...

Ah yes, the Steve Hoffman forums. Where The Beatles are still considered to be "current".

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well, you just said it with no evidence, or reason for us to believe you. I'm not sure I'd believe either is better, but plenty of people seem to argue 180g is better, so why is 140g better...and even better if your provide some sources.

Actually I am as happy as I am if you believe 140g is better or 180g is better.
But maybe I can also admit I work as account manager in the biggest vinyl records producing factory ;-)

[It's Light Again]

I am not an audio expert, so I can't say if I'd rather have 140g or 180g, but I'd love to have THB on vinyl. My turntable doesn't see many new releases.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by Donkey

Actually I am as happy as I am if you believe 140g is better or 180g is better.
But maybe I can also admit I work as account manager in the biggest vinyl records producing factory ;-)

Ahh so you are the guys getting people to pay more for an inferior product . jk.

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by Takk

Ahh so you are the guys getting people to pay more for an inferior product . jk.

might be a good joke but actually there's a different problem. At first the labels, brokers etc. say bullshit to the people and if I told you what's the price on the vinyl record when it leaves the factory you probably wouldn't ever buy even THB
the chain is way too long....

and the only information coming from us is 140g >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 180g, we are not to blame for this

[Suicide Aldi]

People who know it all are so infuriating.

Joke

[andy]

donkey is spot on about everything bar colour affecting the sound - there are different copolymer used as the base material and the colouring process can affect this as its like the simplest of science...

the colours are changed due to different substances added to the original copolymer. Obviously different compounds made of different chemicals react different - as an example, 'gold / orange' vinyl is more prone to 'heat damage' than standard black or, say, purple vinyl.

regarding the weight of the vinyl, 180 has no impact on the sound, just durability. However vinyl deserves to be handled well, and if you don't look after it and it warps or scratches then more fool you for being so slapdash with a piece of art.

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by andy

donkey is spot on about everything bar colour affecting the sound - there are different copolymer used as the base material and the colouring process can affect this as its like the simplest of science...

the colours are changed due to different substances added to the original copolymer. Obviously different compounds made of different chemicals react different - as an example, 'gold / orange' vinyl is more prone to 'heat damage' than standard black or, say, purple vinyl.

regarding the weight of the vinyl, 180 has no impact on the sound, just durability. However vinyl deserves to be handled well, and if you don't look after it and it warps or scratches then more fool you for being so slapdash with a piece of art.

I'm running away from this thread already, because I've got enough of this at work

to be on safe side with my conscience I'll repeat again:
soundwise 140g black vinyl is the only good option (preferably with ideal time and 45rpm, not half an hour on each side and 33rpm, that's not good )
every difference sucks - colour, weight.
For 180g it's pretty simple, it suffers from so called non-fills, because it's not easy to distribute the material during pressing.
Have a good luck with vinyl :-x

[hummingbird]

there's an article in the June edition of record collector talking about sound quality with 180g vinyl. Not read it yet but if anyone's interested go have a look

[begging_to_be_cool]

Originally Posted by Donkey

But...the power of Holy Bible is not in the sound

This. Release it on whatever weight you like* Nicky/Sony/Music On Vinyl, just release it!

* But hey, from reading this thread, 140g sounds like a good bet.

[Dext37 Fielding]

I think wearing a balaclava with my name on it at Eindhoven might well have put James and Nicky off the idea lol!

[Midlands_Junk]

I can't see it. They're so into this album and their present, seeming more focussed and excited that their recent releases. It would be odd for them to shift gear and focus just one month after the album drops.

I would love a decent vinyl release though. My picture disc doesn't sound very good.