Journal...the samples

[Routine Builder]

I also get the feeling that Kevin Carter before and after Richey were two different beasts. Considering the way the band tip toes around leftover lyrics for 14 years, I doubt they would have went a direction for the song he would obviously not liked.

[Elizabeth M]

Originally Posted by Routine Builder

I also get the feeling that Kevin Carter before and after Richey were two different beasts. Considering the way the band tip toes around leftover lyrics for 14 years, I doubt they would have went a direction for the song he would obviously not liked.

The band taking 14 years to use the lyrics had nothing to do with any questions about musical direction. It took them 14 years to use the lyrics because that's how long it took for them to be emotionally ready to deal with using them.

[andy]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth M

The band taking 14 years to use the lyrics had nothing to do with any questions about musical direction. It took them 14 years to use the lyrics because that's how long it took for them to be emotionally ready to deal with using them.

And even then it was pushing it as I'm sure james or nicky referenced while making the album nicky told James to scrap the whole idea before coming round the next day

[raven]

Originally Posted by hummingbird

I remember James said Richey thought Kevin Carter sounded like the girl from ipanema when he first played it to him. He responded something like *no promise you it won't sound like that* I think turning that into a huge deal that richey didn't like the direction the band was going in is a bit OTT. Wasn't it just played on an acoustic ?

I wasn't trying to argue that Richey didn't...I think the worries over the music for the lyrics left behind show just how much it was a collaborative effort. As to the direction of the band - clearly Richey wasn't well, clearly his lyrics were continuing on from The Holy Bible and his vision for the band seems to have been to continue in that general field. I don't sense it was any big issue at the time only I can imagine that it would have been hard to go on in that field both musically and also for them, not that it's anyone's place to discuss that, I can just see how they could have locked themselves in until it kind of imploded. But no one can know because as James has said - if only Richey could have been around to see the success made of Kevin Carter and beyond - of If You Tolerate etc....the music doesn't always have to sound like your brain feels.
And, hell, he loved the sound of Small Black Flowers....so

[UEF]

He would've been around to hear No Surface All Feeling's acoustic demo and record the album track too

[Porco]

Can we all at least agree that Journal For Plague Lovers was a better title than Pantadelica would have been?

[andy]

Originally Posted by Porco

Can we all at least agree that Journal For Plague Lovers was a better title than Pantadelica would have been?

No

That title is amazing

[Automatik]

It's worth pointing out that Picturesque was an earlier attempt to use some of the lyrics that Richey left. I believe there were other examples too (just can't remember them off-hand now).

Regardless of the methods used to take Richey's lyrics from page to finished product, EMG and JFPL and utterly fantastic albums. JFPL was a big gamble but it didn't disappoint. Quite the opposite actually.