What is the more likely to happen?

[IanL]

Originally Posted by starstruck

i recall fondly that one from a year or so ago where someone registered, wrote "Holy Bible shit" and promptly vanished.

He should have done one more post saying "Batman!" THEN vanished...

[Midlands_Junk]

Originally Posted by tzb

Lots of people have seen it, and the only comments so far have been positive.

This. A few people seem to be assuming it's shit, having not even seen it and with no ground to say so at all, whereas those who have actually seen it have nothing but praise.
I doubt it's any kind of epic Scorsese-style documentary, but the footage they've given us a sneak peak at looks well-worth seeing.

[Bryter Layter]

Originally Posted by Heart2Heart

He'll finish it. It's not like it's a hobby book, there are some contractual obligations once you have a set publisher; you have a deadline to meet.

How do you know there's a "contractual obligation"? As far as I know, a second book was commissioned, but that doesn't neccessarily mean a contract was signed. Even if there was a contract and a book advance given to Wire, that doesn't mean he or the publisher can't get out of it. Happens more often than most think.

Anyway, my comment was more tongue in cheek than anything else. I know he's supposedly writing an autobiography, but I don't expect him to finish anytime soon. I think Joni Mitchell spent over a decade writing hers.

Originally Posted by River Boy

I had no idea, all I've seen is posts from people asking 'where is it?', but I've forgotten what it actually is though I think I asked once.

People slag off the band's songs on here all the time, I'm not sure it makes me rude to say something negative about a documentary no one's even seen yet! I wish them good luck with it - if it exists.

Yeah, but the band doesn't post here, Elizabeth M does. That's the distinction.

Fair enough you didn't know that the film makers contribute here. It's fairly regularly discussed in the Manifesto thread, but I guess you missed it. I just think the film makers are constantly on the defensive here and it's not really fair. Elizabeth has explained over and over again the problems her team faces yet people keep having digs at their expense. Its not particularly supportive of a community member who has been nothing but forthcoming about the films status.

[starstruck]

Originally Posted by Takk

What conversation is it starting off?

was there a Christ? if so, would He return? is he Richey? what market or hope is there for No Manifesto to be well received beyond the fanatical Manics fan base? the conversation here is limited only by the walls you choose to build around it.

[starstruck]

Originally Posted by Midlands_Junk

This. A few people seem to be assuming it's shit, having not even seen it and with no ground to say so at all, whereas those who have actually seen it have nothing but praise.
I doubt it's any kind of epic Scorsese-style documentary, but the footage they've given us a sneak peak at looks well-worth seeing.

if it has footage of the band in it, the likelihood of it being shit is limited to all but non-existant, really.

the only "shit" Manics related video footage is that which they do not feature in. that would be Autumnsong i think, i have never got through either version all the way to the end.

[Heart2Heart]

Originally Posted by Bryter Layter

How do you know there's a "contractual obligation"? As far as I know, a second book was commissioned, but that doesn't neccessarily mean a contract was signed. Even if there was a contract and a book advance given to Wire, that doesn't mean he or the publisher can't get out of it. Happens more often than most think.

Anyway, my comment was more tongue in cheek than anything else. I know he's supposedly writing an autobiography, but I don't expect him to finish anytime soon. I think Joni Mitchell spent over a decade writing hers.

I seriously wonder why Manics fans are so negative (or is it just FD?). Not meant as a personal insult, mind you, just genuinely curious; I was wondering if other bands / musicians tend to attract certain 'types' of people...

Yeah, writing a book is tougher than one thinks, but it's not like you hear people balking out of book deals that often either. I've had the fortune of hanging out with people who write for a living...it's really rare that writers just toss their book out, no matter how tempted they are to do so at the last minute; writers are pretty narcissistic and it'd just be going against their drive and instinct.

Worst chances I think is that he might miss the deadline, not likely he'll 'never complete' it though.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by starstruck

was there a Christ? if so, would He return? is he Richey? what market or hope is there for No Manifesto to be well received beyond the fanatical Manics fan base? the conversation here is limited only by the walls you choose to build around it.

Well no manifesto already had a serious thread, this was just to make a negative point about the film. I'd call it trolling myself.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well no manifesto already had a serious thread, this was just to make a negative point about the film. I'd call it trolling myself.

I'd call it a pretty fair criticism done in a light-hearted banterish way.

I could have just said that its a disgrace that a documentary started 10 years ago still hasn't seen the light of day and the makers are still throwing meaningless tidbits onto the forum to try and maintain interest when, without label or band support, there is simply more chance of two other unlikely events happening. But that would be trolling.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by proevpete

I'd call it a pretty fair criticism done in a light-hearted banterish way

and you couldn't do it in the other thread?

I'd call it unnecessary ignorant mean spirited banter, given you know the filmmaker is reading and replying to comments.

[Nick2]

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[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Takk

and you couldn't do it in the other thread?

I'd call it unnecessary ignorant mean spirited banter, given you know the filmmaker is reading and replying to comments.

I tried to but, as you well know, I couldn't post a poll without starting a new thread.

[Thomas]

richey is dead. jesus never walked on water. i don't care for a manics documentary.

[pingu]

Originally Posted by tzb

Lots of people have seen it, and the only comments so far have been positive.

lots of people saw Richey, too, but his reception wasn't universally positive. apparently lots of people saw Jesus, but then they crucified him.

so at least No Manifesto wins the popular vote?

[Midlands_Junk]

Originally Posted by pingu

lots of people saw Richey, too, but his reception wasn't universally positive. apparently lots of people saw Jesus, but then they crucified him.

so at least No Manifesto wins the popular vote?

I like the way you think. By your logic: No Manifesto > Richey > Jesus Christ.

[Deets]

Originally Posted by Napoleon Bonaparte

Richey turns up, proclaims he is Jesus Christ & to prove it brings a copy of No Manifesto. Which would be a miracle in anybody's book.