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11-10-2019, 03:08
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Which *version* of the Take The Skinheads Bowling cover do you/everyone prefer? I would really like them to do studio covers of Bright Eyes and Sweet Child O’ Mine at some point.
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11-10-2019, 04:10
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Haha, glad this stirred a bit of debate!
Re: Umbrella... actually, I should clarify. I think it's the acoustic version that I think is masterful, and I'd rather listen to that than the original. But I like guitars, and I like JDB's voice, so go figure. Not that I'm downplaying Rihanna's version at all - obviously a cracking pop tune. And Pennyroyal Tea (or Penny Royalty...!), I just think the guitar work on that is superb, along with James' vocals. The little changes from the original, the ups where it should go down, etc. The guitar solo. It just works so well. The Nirvana version is obviously a classic, but for the Manics version just has some urgency to it. Red Sleeping Beauty just sounded over-worked. The McCarthy original was quite simple and raw. But then Charles Windsor, turned from a jangly jolly affair to this machine gun attack - that was inspired. Just remembered Rock N Roll Music. I could live without that in my life. And... What does anyone think about Wrote For Luck? Haha.
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11-10-2019, 09:14
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Question: in terms of covers, do you prefer James's acoustic versions or the full band versions?
I generally believe that James's acoustic versions are usually far superior. Their stripped down nature seem to demonstrate the feeling and affection James has for the songs where as the studio versions feels a bit like by the numbers with the passion softened by the studio environment and possibly trying to get something to go on a b-sides. The best examples are Red Sleeping Beauty and Plain of Endless Fortune where James gave some of best vocal performances for the acoustic takes but by the time it goes to the studio, the magic is lost.
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11-10-2019, 10:15
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12-10-2019, 13:45
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12-10-2019, 16:38
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For me, I love it when the Manics do Clash and GNR covers, but there's no way they're better than the originals. Sweet Child, It's So Easy, Train In Vain, What's My Name? etc are fun when you see them live, but listening to them at home on a playlist, there's no comparison.
James' acoustic version of Last Christmas wins over the original. So does Skinheads. And Umbrella. And Bright Eyes electric from the original Holy Bible tour. That cover of Fairytale Of New York can absolutely fuck off. That song is perfect and shouldn't even be allowed to be covered. Last edited by starfucker; 12-10-2019 at 16:42.
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12-10-2019, 17:31
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Take The Skinheads Bowling was originally a B-side on CD One of the Australia Single release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv-GXAfB040 Then a different version was included on Lipstick Traces... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLV1SvZaGA
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13-10-2019, 20:26
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 James works better on the big songs the big anthemics which can be as affecting but i feel with no musical knowledge lies his strength. Sorry for the sin but then as i say he sings this is yesterday and I can't take it it hits so hard so could be i know nothing
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14-10-2019, 19:09
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For me it has to be suicide is painless. Always forgetting its a cover. Liked it so much at the time I put up with the cassette single rather than vinyl cos they'd sold out and I couldn't POSSIBLY wait another day.
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15-10-2019, 11:59
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Suppose it depends on how and why you've done the cover. If it's a sincere tribute, great. I am leaning towards letting Manics off for that one though cos I love em and they wrote Little Baby Nothing. They're not cock rock. And to be honest, I think there are a couple of bits of Umbrella that read like they could've been written by Wire anyway! "These fancy things will never come in between You're part of my entity, here for infinity When the world has took its part When the world has dealt its cards If the hand is hard, together we'll mend your heart" It's quite a dark and bittersweet for a pop song really. I don't think they covered it for a laugh or out of any chauvinism but I wonder if it was their way of showing that they're not dinosaurs and they are aware of modern music. I sound like a grandad... You forget just how many covers they've done. Wouldn't say there's any I think are particularly shit, they've made some interesting choices over the years. Think my favourite is probably the version of Clampdown James did on his solo tour.
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15-10-2019, 23:13
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There's not many covers by male artists of songs originally sung or written by female artists when one thinks on.....although there's a cover of the Kate Bush song This Woman's Work by Maxwell which is a real tribute as well as making it his own
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21-11-2019, 17:55
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Take the Skinheads Bowling and Out of Time for me.
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