Random Manics thoughts...

[someone, somewhere, soon]

It's not really TV/Radio appearance, nor a Newspaper/Magazine appearance, so posting it here in case it hasn't been mentioned anywhere else yet.

Manics and Faster get a shoutout on The Tubs' One More Day:

track: https://open.spotify.com/track/09nIN...ac0707125f4d27

lyrics: https://genius.com/The-tubs-one-more-day-lyrics

Maybe I'm getting carried away, but to my mind musically it sounds like the whole song is based off a janglepop version of the two-tone Faster riff too?

[Bartek Wyre]

Originally Posted by UEF

Always thought they sounded more fun with 1 guitar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAK1XG35C7Y

Funny (but actually sad) how little they've moved on between this and Decline & Fall. Basically two identical songs.

Originally Posted by someone, somewhere, soon

Manics and Faster get a shoutout on The Tubs' One More Day

Aye, never heard of them, like the tune!

[Europa Gluten Free]

Very random thought - why do the Manics never talk about Sophie Ellis Bextor and Black Holes for the Young? I remember reading at the time that it was an early song they mentioned for TIMT. But it was never mentioned again, and it's never mentioned when they go on and on about their duets.

Am I putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 with a possible theory I have about what really happened?

[deadmartyr]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Very random thought - why do the Manics never talk about Sophie Ellis Bextor and Black Holes for the Young? I remember reading at the time that it was an early song they mentioned for TIMT. But it was never mentioned again, and it's never mentioned when they go on and on about their duets.

Am I putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 with a possible theory I have about what really happened?

It was quite recently that I read this old thread where savemejebus wrote:


"The rumour at the time (prior to and around the time of if you tolerate this's release and that went around the manics fan convention in London in the summer of 98) was that Black Holes for The Young was supposed to be an album track but Sophie Ellis Bextor went blabbing to all and sundry about it and the band or the record company got annoyed and decided to pull the track.

According to Nicky Prologue to History was meant to be on the album but he decided to pull it in order to make the album have 13 songs. He said it was something to do with breaking a jinx/making a point that they could have hit album with 13 songs despite the holy bible having flopped with 13 songs.

I don't think anyone actually asked why he didn't just pull born a girl...

The Black Holes story should probably be taken with a pinch of salt but it could have happened as there was quite a lot of hype at the time about it and some said that she was trying to use the hype to help 'TheAudience' rather than the manics. Of course the supposed story behind prologue would make that less likely with regard to Nicky wanting 13 songs."

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by deadmartyr

It was quite recently that I read this old thread where savemejebus wrote:


"The rumour at the time (prior to and around the time of if you tolerate this's release and that went around the manics fan convention in London in the summer of 98) was that Black Holes for The Young was supposed to be an album track but Sophie Ellis Bextor went blabbing to all and sundry about it and the band or the record company got annoyed and decided to pull the track.

According to Nicky Prologue to History was meant to be on the album but he decided to pull it in order to make the album have 13 songs. He said it was something to do with breaking a jinx/making a point that they could have hit album with 13 songs despite the holy bible having flopped with 13 songs.

I don't think anyone actually asked why he didn't just pull born a girl...

The Black Holes story should probably be taken with a pinch of salt but it could have happened as there was quite a lot of hype at the time about it and some said that she was trying to use the hype to help 'TheAudience' rather than the manics. Of course the supposed story behind prologue would make that less likely with regard to Nicky wanting 13 songs."

Thanks for this! I see I make bascially the same commnet I made here about 3 or 4 posts down on that thread! Haha! (Wish it was 2014!)

On another random side note, that thread is about "Between the Clock and the Bed" which is one of my favourite Manics songs in the last 10 years. Definitely my favourite off Futurology, strangely (or not).

[Librarian On Fire]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Very random thought - why do the Manics never talk about Sophie Ellis Bextor and Black Holes for the Young? I remember reading at the time that it was an early song they mentioned for TIMT. But it was never mentioned again, and it's never mentioned when they go on and on about their duets.

Am I putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 with a possible theory I have about what really happened?

Probably calling Sophie Ellis Bextor "Rhombus face" didn't help matters much. "Black Holes For the Young" is a fantastic song.

[Son of Stopped]

Originally Posted by Librarian On Fire

Probably calling Sophie Ellis Bextor "Rhombus face" didn't help matters much.

Ah the 90's. Although we've lost the magazines, well that kindness is gone forever for anyhow.

[Mumbojumbo]

James shouting "This tendahness slippin' through ma fingazz" in BHFTY might be the best bit of music the Manics ever put to tape.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Just listened to Black Holes again after I don't know how long.

It's a fucking great song. James' voice is the best in the TIMT era for me - so strong and pure and so confident with it. Prologue is another amazing vocal.

I also think he sounds kinda half-arsed but cool as fuck which is a good contrast with SEB's very proper delivery. Great song.

[UEF]

It’s (Black Holes for the Young) a great example of a stunning Manics track that is relegated to being a bside. Who knows why it wasn’t pushed more, maybe somebody felt it didn’t fit with the overall band image. They’ve certainly made up for it with the various collaborations since, usually with a female vocal.

[Scarecrow]

Black Holes for the Young is a great song, though like Prologue, I'm glad it wasn't on the album, don't think it would have suited it.

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

It's a fucking great song. James' voice is the best in the TIMT era for me - so strong and pure and so confident with it. Prologue is another amazing vocal.

I'm not sure which period I'd pick for a favourite but I really do love a lot of his vocals from that period, he could really shine when he went for the higher register without being whiny.

[IntlDebris]

There's an alternative reality out there somewhere where the original demo arrangements of Tsunami and The Everlasting were used, Black Hole, Prologue, Montana and Socialist Serenade were on the album, it was ten tracks and was basically EMG2.

[Scarecrow]

Thinking recently about songs that grow on us over time.

On the subject of TIMTTMY, perhaps more than any other Manics album I've noticed some of my initial least favourites on the album have gradually become the ones I like the most (I'm Not Working and Black Dog on My Shoulder being the two best examples). As for b-sides, I'd say It's All Gone, found it pretty average at first but now I love it.

Has anyone else had songs they didn't care that much for initially but they gradually become some of your most beloved tracks?

[Bambi]

Since we seem to be sniffing round the hedges of the turn of the century, I've just been listening to KYE again, and fucking hell it has so much ENERGY! Bristling with sandpapery textures, buzzing, crunchy guitars, those petulant, lost, angry vibes, and powered along by Sean, who wants to make it tick faster and faster so he can finish and play on his Game Boy Colour.

Yes, we know it's a mess and half the songs are undercooked - despite years of subsequent so-so work, Royal Correspondent still might be their shittest ever lyric - but god, it's so wonderful yet jarring to feel this propulsive rock band pulling you along with them after living with the largely sedate(d) recent material. Yes, they're in their mid-fifties, and nothing stays the same forever, but I'd love to feel just a hint of that 'surprise' factor again, the buzz of *ideas*.

[deadmartyr]

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