Civic Hall, Wolverhampton 1st June 2009 with setlist

[still_unfashionable]

Originally Posted by harrijack

No, you really don't seem to get it.

What you said was that you understood that guy's point (the guy who spent the first half of the set physically and verbally assaulting the girls in front of him) because the same people are on the barrier every night (who had queued since the morning). Sometimes even we can't be there early, but when we can't be we don't go psycho on the people who did. The majority of the time however we can, and we shouldn't expect to be hurt for it.

Do you understand yet?

Yep. I never said he had the right to be abusive towards you. How many times do I need to say that?

[still_unfashionable]

Originally Posted by housefullofmanics

And I also agree with that. I'm not saying that those not on the barrier aren't "real fans"! Far from it. Anyone who goes to enjoy the music, experience, and presence of this marvellous band deserve respect. Let's show it to all who do.

But that´s exactly what you said. You said I was talking to *whisper* Real Fans.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by Valley_Girl

My friend's bus was stuck in traffic but she arrived in time and we found a spot in front of Nicky near the front, not at the barrier but with good view.
And it was a great gig as well.
I saw your Wolves-photos, they're great!

Thank you! Glad you had a great time at Brighton also!

[Tom]

Who gives a fuck? It's a gig. It's supposed to be fun. If it's causing you this much stress than maybe get a new hobby?

[relic]

The trouble is that different people have different ideas about what 'fun' is, and for some that includes acts of violence and intimidation that shouldn't be acceptable anywhere. A bit of pushing and shoving is OK, and expected at the front, but when it gets personal it can get scary pretty quickly.

[Tom]

Yeah, I know, I've been there in the past. I just think the arguing and stressing over a place on the barrier takes all the fun out of the gig. I know some people like to be up there, but to be honest I tend to have more fun at a gig when I stop stressing about things and just enjoy the gig wherever I end up standing. Each to his or her own, though, obviously.

[MrsCarbohydrate]

Originally Posted by still_unfashionable

Did I ever say it gave him an excuse to hurl abuse at you?

No, but you heavily implied it.

Not everyone can get time off work to do a tour, neither would everyone want to spend their annual leave sitting on pavements all day...ooh but means you´re not dedicated enough, sorry!

No-one said the people who don't queue aren't dedicated enough. But we all make our choices and we don't really have to answer to people who don't make the same ones. Frankly if you don't get there early, it's not my problem.

Originally Posted by still_unfashionable

Yeah, I know what they do. How about queuing up all day to show their dedication and then standing at the back just for once, giving others a chance?

I've said it a few times, but this isn't a charity. This is my hobby and I don't owe any bit of it to anyone else.

[JDPreston]

After 20 years and around 100 gigs watching this band play, including times where I was the entire front row and there wasn't a barrier...... I am more than happy to stand by the sound desk and appreciate the sound quality in good balance, not get my pint spilled or ribs elbowed etc. Each to their own though!

[still_unfashionable]

Originally Posted by MrsCarbohydrate

No, but you heavily implied it.




No-one said the people who don't queue aren't dedicated enough. But we all make our choices and we don't really have to answer to people who don't make the same ones. Frankly if you don't get there early, it's not my problem.

Sorry darling, I really didn´t.
It´s not necessarily about making a choice.
As I said, I´m happy to be in 4th row or wherever but I bet there are plenty of people who´d like a spot on the barrier just for once and who are unable to turn up really early.

[MrsCarbohydrate]

Originally Posted by still_unfashionable

It´s not necessarily about making a choice.
As I said, I´m happy to be in 4th row or wherever but I bet there are plenty of people who´d like a spot on the barrier just for once and who are unable to turn up really early.

Of course they would, but I don't owe them it.

[Nicky Wire's Dyson]

Originally Posted by MrsCarbohydrate

Of course they would, but I don't owe them it.

Agreed

[BranCox]

Originally Posted by JDPreston

After 20 years and around 100 gigs watching this band play, including times where I was the entire front row and there wasn't a barrier...... I am more than happy to stand by the sound desk and appreciate the sound quality in good balance, not get my pint spilled or ribs elbowed etc. Each to their own though!

Originally Posted by still_unfashionable

It´s not necessarily about making a choice.
As I said, I´m happy to be in 4th row or wherever but I bet there are plenty of people who´d like a spot on the barrier just for once and who are unable to turn up really early.

Well, that's just bad luck. I'd like to win the lottery, just for once, but I probably won't. Life's a bitch, etc.

[still_unfashionable]

Originally Posted by amalthea

Well, that's just bad luck. I'd like to win the lottery, just for once, but I probably won't. Life's a bitch, etc.

Right...

[ecureuil]

Shame some people got some abuse on the barrier. I'm usually right near the front somewhere, I was on the middle, barrier at the Derby gig a couple of years ago - and cause Derby Assembly Rooms is an intimate venue, I could nearly touch James' mic stand. Ah.. anyway. Now I'm happy to stand back a bit and away from the hustle and bustle, I think I'm getting old.

People at the front shouldn't be getting abuse though. If you're not there, then tough shit, basically. Get there earlier next time.

[hummingbird]

i almost got to the barrier for brighton but it wasnt the queuers fault i didnt get there it was the eejit security guard ambling along in front of me that i couldn't get past grrrr..second row tho behind short people so yay.

anyone that bleats boo hoo i want a turn at the barrier without expecting to put an effort in is childish frankly and queue all day to then stand at the back? brilliant suggestion ...not