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28-10-2017, 10:23
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2. my love to the Manics is greater than my dislike to Sleaford Mods, so yes, i'd endure if i had to. that even a real question?
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#92
28-10-2017, 11:26
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The support slot is a ballache for basically any band. You're playing to an audience who don't care about you and not only that - you're the only thing stopping them from seeing one of their favourite acts of the moment.
Essentially, the support act is the ads before a film. The best you can hope for is mild enjoyment, or (if the main act doesn't deliver) an extremely slim chance to upstage something. In my own low level time playing in bands I've played to literally tens of people who could care less - so I'd never slag off a band that are essentially just looking for their moment. Everyone's a winner when we're all chilled!
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#94
28-10-2017, 16:30
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At Foos shows for example, you know they will come out of the blocks with 3 amazing (usually old) songs and then tit about for the next 2 hours doing new stuff and jamming before playing Everlong. Some people dig that, and fair play to them. On the flip-side you've got bands like Pearl Jam (who I don't like for the record) but who sometimes do 2 totally different sets on consecutive nights. That must be incredible for a fan. You'd literally go to both nights having no idea what you'd be seeing, but that might be frustrating if you're not that familiar with them. So clearly there's a balance to find - but I agree with the basic analysis in your piece. If you compare the sets from the last full album tour (Futurology/RTF), and the sets from Lifeblood, there's not a huge deviation from a general setlist template which MSP have used throughout most of their career. Generally speaking you get about 1/4 new songs, 1/4 rotated tracks alongside 1/2 hits. (There's nothing wrong with that in itself of course, if it produces enough intrigue.) But it's worth coming back to the point about everything being relative. Back on the Lifeblood tour, Holy Bible songs had been out of the set for nearly a decade, so they were a massive treat for fans who hadn't heard those songs live. Alongside new tracks that were just released, about 2/3 of the gig was a big rush of newness (or old newness) which would intrigue hardened MSP fans I imagine. But that worked because (for example) a staple hit from Everything Must Go was only 8 years old in 2004 therefore still fresh. When the Manics next tour, those tracks be 20-odd years old. That's why I don't watch the band myself these days, but I think there is still the possibility to inject a bit of magic into the sets, should they want to do it.
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#95
29-10-2017, 14:20
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That Review is very true though nothing a Manic fan wouldn't know, its boring, I find the set lists boring too, I only go if its worth going now, THB gig was different but to not tour Futurology baffles me as its their best work in a long time.
RTF again was hardly toured just a mini tour in April 2014. I think the last 2 gigs I walked out during ADFL, its just too boring.
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#96
29-10-2017, 20:28
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Have I anything else to add. No. Except....Eddie Vedder seems much more...I don't know the word.....goes with how he feels, not to alienate an audience but he lets his mood take him maybe, I don,t know, but maybe the Manics feel there'll often be new fans or fans that don't follow them to every show anymore so always run the staple hits so to speak alongside their most recent...maybe I ain't analysed it but I do think they have an unfairly high share of moaners within their fandom if I dare be so bold 
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#97
30-10-2017, 13:25
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On the other hand, I recognise the SM have been a nightmare for me and I wish we had been at a venue where I live because the audience there does react violently when they are called twats by people they don't know from Adam, and their slot would have been shortened on the spot  , to my great relief.
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