MSP - What now???

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by centralscrutiniser

I'm still surprised to see they hath forsaken Cardiff this year. If I still lived there I would have been far from impressed.

If they start to do a Liverpool (not attend for 5/6 years in a mood for no real reason after a superb gig) to Cardiff I'll also be confused.

[centralscrutiniser]

Originally Posted by Dean V

If they start to do a Liverpool (not attend for 5/6 years in a mood for no real reason after a superb gig) to Cardiff I'll also be confused.

Maybe it's because Cardiff doesn't have an 02 academy. Not that it stopped them in other cities, but....

Odd ignoring Liverpool as well. The scousers do know their music, you'd think it would be a mandatory stop.

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by centralscrutiniser

Maybe it's because Cardiff doesn't have an 02 academy. Not that it stopped them in other cities, but....

Odd ignoring Liverpool as well. The scousers do know their music, you'd think it would be a mandatory stop.

The band seemed pissed at the time so maybe just bad experiences behind the scenes or something.

Or maybe one of the venue managers laughed at them in a jokey way for their albums failures (in relative terms to TIMT and EMG) at that time.

It is a pity as Liverpool is an active city gig wise, sometimes gets a bit violent in Academies there but overall very nice and energetic. Remedied this year though, may they continue that process.

[gladstone]

Originally Posted by River Boy

Personally I believe class is about lifestyle not where we're born and bred

Thats where we're hitting problems. Class isnt a state of mind, it isnt determined by lifestyle or choice but how you fit within the economic circumstances of where you live.

[Oh Nick...!]

Originally Posted by mattiasbrundin

Honestly, it is time to record one massive swansong – i.e. a “Beat Surrender” – and write a super pretentious “goodbye” letter… and then end the band.

There's no way this is happening, they've never been more in love with each other than they are now. And with the idea of MSP*, which I think is precisely because people keep asking when they're going to stop - must be an increasingly alien and frightening concept to them.

*I mean, how many times do they mention Richey these days? Surely record levels. They're in love with their own legend, and I don't blame them 'cause I am too.

[Kafir_Lover]

Trying to write big anthems which people dont seem to be into any more...an acoustic album would be ideal...jdb sounds great whenever he does acoustic versions of songs or covers....a whole acoustic album with a smaller sound would bring in new fans and give them a different sound to their usual strings,big guitars and big choruses. Thought provoking lyrics with nice acoustic sound would be a real success i think.

[Dancing Kirby]

One last shot at not being an embarrassment.

[Ben]

LOLZ! @ the people blaming PFAYM's mediocrity on Sony. The band wrote the songs etc. They did write what they wanted, and then decided to barely play any of it live...

Originally Posted by Takk

I don't know why everyone thinks this albums was sony's insistence. But I don't think it's a good album template to follow with. They should stop being so concerned with writing for commerical success and write what they want, and commerical success is a by-product of that or not. When they try and write to recapture something or deliberately go out for commerical success, it doesn't exactly work.

Well said, Tim.

Originally Posted by Dean V

200 London gigs a year is just obscene.

Yeah, playing in the highest concentration of people with the best transport links in the country is a ridiculous idea.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Oi! Lay off Eringa!

I don't hear anything bland about the production at all. The main problem seems to be people 'not liking' choirs. Well I do like choirs and plenty of other people do as well so stop whinging!

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by BradfieldsLoveChild

Yeah, playing in the highest concentration of people with the best transport links in the country is a ridiculous idea.

1 or 2 gigs in London makes sense for the reason you said, but not an additional set of gigs, albeit I do realise they don't get to decide the venue for XFM and whatnot so I'm probably talking wank but it just feels like ignoring other venues (Cardiff this tour) is a bit shit for fans in the UK.

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

Oi! Lay off Eringa!

I don't hear anything bland about the production at all. The main problem seems to be people 'not liking' choirs. Well I do like choirs and plenty of other people do as well so stop whinging!

Eringa is good at what he does I agree, but Postcards is oversaturated in strings and choirs and such. I mean what I used to love about Design For Life (I am bored of the song due to hearing it a million times sadly, same with Animal Nitrate by Suede) is that the strings are only really apparent at key moments, they were used to build the song as opposed to exist solely to add a backing track.

[The Gutless Wonder]

I wonder if Jeff Lynne has heard Postcards yet? He has used strings on many of his records. I want his opinion!

[Beat Poet]

Originally Posted by counterlanguage

The screwed up / bland production is one of the main problems, can only be the band and Eringa's fault. They need to inject some new blood, as much as they like working with him.

Totally, I'm sick of this insistence they seem to have of working with him. Even if they go with someone else (Visconti, Albini), they always take the album back to Eringa, who seems to work everything the original producer did out of the songs. He's so one-dimensional as a producer it's unreal.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by Beat Poet

Totally, I'm sick of this insistence they seem to have of working with him. Even if they go with someone else (Visconti, Albini), they always take the album back to Eringa, who seems to work everything the original producer did out of the songs. He's so one-dimensional as a producer it's unreal.

Disagree with that.

[Mirbeau]

Yeah I agree, songs that just sound like daytime-tv inserts on the record (it's not war...) are actually pretty thunderous live, with the strings less loud, glossy and persistant. The mix on the record is pretty dreadful in places.