MSP - What now??? - Page 10 - Forever Delayed

Midlands_Junk · #**136** 19-12-2010, 00:04

Agreed that, although I have no massive issues with Eringa, he doesn't always give the songs the dynamic production that they often deserve to do them justice and it can fall a bit flat sometimes.
Ah well. At least on the next 'best of,' all of the songs will all blend together unlike on FD. There will probably be distinct lack of songs from Lifeblood and JFPL too which is a shame.

vaiden · #**137** 19-12-2010, 06:32

I hate the chorus singing...has anybody said that already or am I the only one?

Takk · #**138** 19-12-2010, 06:55

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Originally Posted by BradfieldsLoveChild

Yeah, playing in the highest concentration of people with the best transport links in the country is a ridiculous idea.

There haven't even been that many london gigs - and half of them have been competition only, in which case it is irrelevant where they are. As for international gigs, they are a moderately successful British Band, not U2.

Bobafettish · #**139** 19-12-2010, 11:07

On the more commercial records, i.e. EMG, PFAYM, i think the production works. Stuff that sounds like it was meant to be played on tv, on motd, is exactly the point.

As for what to do now, tour GT.
Primal Scream are, and The Levellers are... (not touring GT, of course, but past work)
Mass communication failed, work for the fans!

hummingbird · #**140** 19-12-2010, 12:18

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Originally Posted by bobafetti

As for what to do now, tour GT.
Primal Scream are, and The Levellers are... (not touring GT, of course, but past work)
Mass communication failed, work for the fans!

best idea so far.. i never got to scream repeat after me fuck queen and country..and i really wanna

centralscrutiniser · #**141** 19-12-2010, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Mirbeau

Yeah I agree, songs that just sound like daytime-tv inserts on the record (it's not war...) are actually pretty thunderous live, with the strings less loud, glossy and persistant. The mix on the record is pretty dreadful in places.

Absolutely. The production is awful, takes all the bollocks out of some songs (especially INW). I even found myself really enjoying SKON live, with a little more power and drive behind it. The demos are much better in a lot of cases.

Industrial Symphony No.1 · #**142** 19-12-2010, 12:29

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Originally Posted by hummingbird

best idea so far.. i never got to scream repeat after me fuck queen and country..and i really wanna

I'd love them to do era-tours, so they just played songs from GT and GATS, then THB and EMG, and SATT and JFPL. And then cobble together a best of the rest from the less good albums.

hummingbird · #**143** 19-12-2010, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Industrial Symphony No.1

I'd love them to do era-tours, so they just played songs from GT and GATS, then THB and EMG, and SATT and JFPL. And then cobble together a best of the rest from the less good albums.

i think they should do THB and JFPL together even though they played the whole album last year..its that good, do it again. As for the others EMG with Truth SATT with PFAYM and GT and GATS. KYE should be quietly ignored

Lifeblood should get a gig all to itself fleshing it out with those lovely b-sides and door to the river, there by the grace of god..no manics its not a shit song.

Industrial Symphony No.1 · #**144** 19-12-2010, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Dean V

Eringa is good at what he does I agree, but Postcards is oversaturated in strings and choirs and such. I mean what I used to love about Design For Life (I am bored of the song due to hearing it a million times sadly, same with Animal Nitrate by Suede) is that the strings are only really apparent at key moments, they were used to build the song as opposed to exist solely to add a backing track.

Isn't he just working according to the Manics protocol though? You can hardly blame him for making the album sound like how they wanted!

Bobafettish · #**145** 19-12-2010, 12:46

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Originally Posted by hummingbird

best idea so far.. i never got to scream repeat after me fuck queen and country..and i really wanna

The problem is their apparent embarrassment at their early, and then later work.
Sure, GT isn't perfect, but it'd be brilliant. Go on Manics, do it!

Ben · #**146** 19-12-2010, 13:16

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Originally Posted by counterlanguage

The screwed up / bland production is one of the main problems, can only be the band and Eringa's fault. They need to inject some new blood, as much as they like working with him.

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Originally Posted by Beat Poet

Totally, I'm sick of this insistence they seem to have of working with him. Even if they go with someone else (Visconti, Albini), they always take the album back to Eringa, who seems to work everything the original producer did out of the songs. He's so one-dimensional as a producer it's unreal.

I agree to an extent. I have no major issues with Eringa, but they definitely to try some other producers. I think the fact that the (small amount) of PFAYM songs which did get played live sounded loads better than they do on the album goes to show that maybe the production/producer needs looking at.

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Originally Posted by Dean V

1 or 2 gigs in London makes sense for the reason you said, but not an additional set of gigs, albeit I do realise they don't get to decide the venue for XFM and whatnot so I'm probably talking wank but it just feels like ignoring other venues (Cardiff this tour) is a bit shit for fans in the UK.

You've kind of answered your own question there. They had no control over the XFM Winter Wonderland, and many of the other shows that they did in London were/are competition based, hence not decided by the band. They did also play a competition show in Newcastle as well, lets not forget.

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Originally Posted by bobafetti

The problem is their apparent embarrassment at their early, and then later work.
Sure, GT isn't perfect, but it'd be brilliant. Go on Manics, do it!

Good luck with that.

The Gutless Wonder · #**147** 19-12-2010, 18:03

The Manics are a difficult bunch because they have these ingrained ideas about how they do things. So I don't think all the pleading in the world is gonna be able to overcome that!

almostfamous · #**148** 19-12-2010, 19:08

...only Jeff Lynne can save them now! It must be done!

The Gutless Wonder · #**149** 19-12-2010, 19:23

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Originally Posted by almostfamous

...only Jeff Lynne can save them now! It must be done!

He doesn't need to save them but they should work with him. I would be so HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Littlesue · #**150** 19-12-2010, 19:24

Jeff Lynn would probably give the same overblown production that PFAYM is