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28-04-2016, 18:52
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With age goes your voice. Happens to everybody. The older an artists gets they usually have to change the key to a song to hit the notes they once were able to. A sad truth that age will catch up to us all.
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28-04-2016, 21:22
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I have a 5 year gap in my attendance of MSP shows and the difference was quite noticeable (Singles at the 02 - Holy Bible tour.) Most groups at some stage either usually either A: change their sound to suit their physical limits or B: don't play anymore. This especially applies if you are a rock band because the harsh vocal is often a feature, and can't be sustained forever (unless you are insanely lucky.) As others have said it does happen to the best of them, and it's a case of managing it. My personal opinion is that the music needs to suit the players, and it's getting to the stage where you could do one of a few things. For example, Jim Adkins of Jimmy Eat World (who has a notoriously high range) took the opportunity to write an album (Futures) in a lower tuning and then made the live shows follow suit. The entire aim of that was to preserve his voice, and judging by recent outings it has worked. It'd be a lot of work, but the Manics would sound mean as hell half a step down. Perhaps it's something they might try next time out having got all the nostalgia fests out of the way? The alternative is to make the set-list full of songs more akin to a lower current range, which would probably see some significant changes to "the usuals." Some thoughts there anyway...
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29-04-2016, 09:14
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I've noticed in Hamburg what Tim and Donkey also described: James definitely used as different technique, now, for the higher ranges. It sounds very controlled and a bit pressed, and it even differs from how he used to sing on the Holy Bible tour. I certainly didn't think he had a cold, or "an awful voice"in general. I agree with Darkanddivine that this seems to be due to an irreversible shift in pitch, he tries to adapt in this way instead of changing the songs. Which would probably work a lot better in the long run. The change was very noticeable during "Black Flowers" and "SIP" - to me his voice sounded controlled, strained, and weaker than in the past, probably because he cannot achieve the higher range by using his chest voice anymore and compensates through technique. My friend who had never seen them live was amazed that a 40something chain smoker can reach such notes at all, and that he has such technical skill as singer - that he is a trained singer at all, and doesn't just sing.
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29-04-2016, 12:12
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Yup agreed. Given previous histories, I'd have thought the band probably won't want to re-arrange/rewrite the material, which blocks off one possible avenue. Otherwise over time the songs they can do could start to become quite limited. Good news for those wanting Lifeblood 10 & Faster acoustic
 After the EMG tour, I'd go to a space and run through a typical gig set half a step down to see how it works.It would sound weird as hell initially to hardcore fans, but the benefits will outweigh the weirdness quite quickly. It'd also be a bit of a fiddle to get the keys/samples/strings working. But overall I'd imagine that would bring the tricky songs back into a range that is easier to sing. Just a hunch, but I think that might actually sound really good.
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29-04-2016, 13:08
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Wasn't Die in the Summertime played half or a full step down during the THB tour last year? It sounded quite off to me. Saying that, James's vocal performance that tour was easily as good as it was over ten years ago. I imagine that tour might've done a number on him.
If they started dropping the hard to sing songs, they'd have to start heavily played their new albums in the artists for a change. 2-4 Futurology songs per gig was a bloody Joke....
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29-04-2016, 13:40
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29-04-2016, 15:59
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ha, found a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLHMmTDK6qw this is...embarassing. I also dislike the staccato, or how shall I call it - not sustainign the notes: you - have - your - ve - - - ry --- own ---- num-----ber. I hope he doesn't end like Barry Gibb.
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29-04-2016, 18:01
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Hello! I'm clearly a tone deaf idiot as he sounds great in that video.
What am I missing?
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29-04-2016, 20:09
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In terms of comparison I think Matt Bellamy has a similar range. For about five years quite a number of Muse's songs have been either down tuned or had the tempo lowered live to facilitate Matt's weakening voice and he doesn't even smoke (but hasn't James finally quit now?). Some songs have even have done worse to then than the dreaded Faster acoustic treatment.
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