Critical Thinking Media Appearances

[Son of Stopped]

Originally Posted by Routine Builder

Ah now we know who's responsible for videos looking like they cost a £1000 quid!

Give me the camera and travel expenses I could do one for a quarter of that!
Also thanks Mumbojumbo for the scans.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by Mumbojumbo

I have my sources....! Here's Music Week for y'all, hopefully its readable:

Legend, thank you

[savemejebus]

Originally Posted by James Dean Bradfield

If you're offering two headline sets for two thirds of the price of that usual gig, that's a good way of saying 'Look, we really still care and we understand it's harder for you to get out these days, but we're making the effort to make this a bigger night, come along with us'.

Cheeky git, if they really cared they'd put all the songs on one version of the album instead of sticking exclusives on to different versions to bump up sales.

[Routine Builder]

Not exactly 2 headline sets either more like 1.5.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Which videos were £100k? Probably most of the TIMT ones: Tolerate, YSTS, The Everlasting.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by savemejebus

Cheeky git, if they really cared they'd put all the songs on one version of the album instead of sticking exclusives on to different versions to bump up sales.

If they still cared they'd play some more obscure stuff instead of YSTS every gig since 1998.

That's a good question - have they ever played a proper Manics gig and not played YSTS since 1998?

EDIT: Probably not: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/m...ongid=43d7f36f

[Son of Stopped]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

If they still cared they'd play some more obscure stuff instead of YSTS every gig since 1998.

That's a good question - have they ever played a proper Manics gig and not played YSTS since 1998?

EDIT: Probably not: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/m...ongid=43d7f36f

Gerald the Gorilla from Not the 9 O'Clock News exasperation: Look the production on that album is superb!

[Tish]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Which videos were £100k? Probably most of the TIMT ones: Tolerate, YSTS, The Everlasting.

How could YSTS cost £100k? Its just them in a studio with some rabbits and a tiny bit of basic level animation. I reckon Tolerate and SWSS must be the most expensive ones they ever did.

[LA ex]

Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

If they still cared they'd play some more obscure stuff instead of YSTS every gig since 1998.

That's a good question - have they ever played a proper Manics gig and not played YSTS since 1998?

EDIT: Probably not: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/m...ongid=43d7f36f

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Dundee Caird Hall in 1998 was the last time they did a full length gig without YSTS. A gig I may well have been at.

Whilst I kind of enjoy the song these days and realise it's one the casual fans latch onto, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it have a rest.

[savemejebus]

At least thr live version doesn’t suffer from “bap bap” syndrome like the original

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by Tish

How could YSTS cost £100k? Its just them in a studio with some rabbits and a tiny bit of basic level animation. I reckon Tolerate and SWSS must be the most expensive ones they ever did.

Forgot about SWSS. What a shitshow. And the Avalanches version is shit too.

[Europa Gluten Free]

Originally Posted by LA ex

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Dundee Caird Hall in 1998 was the last time they did a full length gig without YSTS. A gig I may well have been at.

Whilst I kind of enjoy the song these days and realise it's one the casual fans latch onto, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it have a rest.

Great knowledge.

Doing a bit of "ignoring the family on Christmas Manics' research" it seems that they subbed it out of the 1998 setlist for SYMM only on this date! Ha!

[Routine Builder]

Originally Posted by LA ex

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Dundee Caird Hall in 1998 was the last time they did a full length gig without YSTS. A gig I may well have been at.

Whilst I kind of enjoy the song these days and realise it's one the casual fans latch onto, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it have a rest.

They gave it a miss in Glasgow 2014,. What a f**king night, and it was the first night of the THB tour as well!

[Scarecrow]

It’s interesting he makes the comment about wasted money. How quickly things have changed. Steve Hillier of Dubstar has said the 90s was the last time in the music industry that huge amounts of money would be spent on things that seemed important but in reality were not, like Dubstar members being put in hotels and driven in limos… for a meeting.

[Europa Gluten Free]

And in the context of the Manics and 90s money in the music business, they can't have made any money from the first three albums. The absolute bare minimum. Which always made me think that while they have mythologized the strings and the melodies and the anthems of EMG as the reaction following Richey's disappearance, there is certainly the commercial element of it as well.