17/12/14 London Roundhouse - Page 26 - Forever Delayed

il_capo · #**376** 18-12-2014, 20:51

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Originally Posted by AK47

The show was fantastic. THB section was pretty flawless if a few songs needing a little vocal changes to fit the words in. Andy Cairns added little to you love us but it was the best I've heard it in years same as ME. Certain songs in 2nd half need to be dropped such as YSTSFMH, EGDM, etc. In fact I don't think Futurology really works live despite it being a great album.

It appears to me that the band still really enjoy playing YSTSFMH - last night Sean, in particular, looked animated during it. I was pleased to see Andy Cairns even if he did not radically alter the sound of YLU. It'd be great if they had a rhythm guitarist like him. I agree that Futurology is a difficult album to reproduce live, but I found the songs from it inspiring nonetheless.

From my perspective the shows worked as THB still sounds so vital and relevant 20 years on. It is not as if the neo-liberal assault on the world and our senses has in any way receded. The band got into the zone and celebrated their masterpiece together with knowledgeable and appreciative audiences – a good cocktail for success.

Europa Gluten Free · #**377** 18-12-2014, 20:54

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.

News Flash: The band couldn't give a fcuk if you got the barrier for every gig. Wire doesn't care if its you or some other fangirl/fanboy. Wire only thinks in the $$$. If I was a pro musician who has been playing for 25 years I'd be a little bit embarrassed to have to see the same faces and feel the obligation to give something to them in their desperation for attention. Now granted I've only met the band once after a gig, but it was as awkward as fuck. And I'm not only talking about my quick photo and hello but the whole scenario.

There needs to be a certain distance between fan and band in my opinion. Never meet your heroes and all that jazz. I love the music and the personas that they project as members of a rock band. And it's obviously amazing to see them play live. But I don't want or need them to see me.

_Bloo_ · #**378** 18-12-2014, 20:55

Londoners do need to learn a bit of gig etiquette sometimes. Manchester crowd for the 2 gigs were happy to make space for each other. The Roundhouse crowd less so. The first night myself and my friend happily made space for a tiny lady getting squished - only for the lady the other side of me (who I didn't push into at all to make space) to actually start sitting on my hip and as she rammed into me with her camera constantly clicking away in front of my face said I was the one pushing her. Third night I was getting properly squished during Faster, trying to stop squishing myself into the back of the man in front of me who was very polite when I said I was sorry - trying to steady myself by putting a hand on a gap in the barrier the big burly man with plenty of space gabbed and threw me sideways into the crush - needless to say I shouted at him. I'm 5ft 5 and for a guy like that to basically deny me the opportunity to steady myself when it's getting rough when he himself was fine was VERY rude.
Yes it's annoying when you risk losing your space because of someone else but spare a thought that others may not be quite as comfortable as you are and especially if you yourself have plenty of room to allow others to shift around a bit. You will have a much nicer time if you just take in who's around you for a moment and enjoy yourself and let them enjoy themselves too. It's a gig. If your second row you will make contact with people!

Europa Gluten Free · #**379** 18-12-2014, 21:04

Not to get all controversial on a Thursday evening but I wonder if there is a clear negative correlation between queue rage and frequency of getting jiggy with a fine young red blooded guy/girl. I'm willing to bet 1 million Manics' dollars on it.

Little Troll · #**380** 18-12-2014, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.
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I'm the only person who has said about being short and I never queue. I have only been on the barrier once and I was right on the end, not in front of the band. I don't think I am entitled to the band or that I deserve to be close to them at all otherwise I would probably have spent more than one gig on the barrier and not spent nearly half of yesterday at the back. You're being unnecessarily rude about people you know nothing about and I don't really appreciate that post being aimed at me (or anyone for that matter because the people I know who do queue are lovely and don't deserve how rude you are being).

(also I am aware that I am overreacting a little here but this is in response to your post afterwards as well and also I am already in a bad mood)

Deets · #**381** 18-12-2014, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.

News Flash: The band couldn't give a fcuk if you got the barrier for every gig. Wire doesn't care if its you or some other fangirl/fanboy. Wire only thinks in the $$$. If I was a pro musician who has been playing for 25 years I'd be a little bit embarrassed to have to see the same faces and feel the obligation to give something to them in their desperation for attention. Now granted I've only met the band once after a gig, but it was as awkward as fuck. And I'm not only talking about my quick photo and hello but the whole scenario.

There needs to be a certain distance between fan and band in my opinion. Never meet your heroes and all that jazz. I love the music and the personas that they project as members of a rock band. And it's obviously amazing to see them play live. But I don't want or need them to see me.

trolololo i need to be in the front row because it's the safest place because i'm 4'5 - 138cm tall and if the barriers are smaller than me then it's the best place when the crowd is wild. i'd get smashed in the 2nd or 3rd row, i know because i was there once, countless bruises, smashed chin beer on my head etc etc. i dont believe in the balcony viewing for the Manics, no atmosphere and if i'm fuckin travelin for the gig from the continent once in a few years i wanna have fun.

i dunno what are the reasons of other Qers, i know the front row is simply fuckin safe. if i were tall enough not to get smashed further i guess i wouldn't mind helping others smaller than me. those who don't understand my motives can go fuck themselves

i decided about not goin to the rescheduled brixton gigs because the barrier was taller than me so there was no point anyway

Takk · #**382** 18-12-2014, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.

News Flash: The band couldn't give a fcuk if you got the barrier for every gig. Wire doesn't care if its you or some other fangirl/fanboy. Wire only thinks in the $$$. If I was a pro musician who has been playing for 25 years I'd be a little bit embarrassed to have to see the same faces and feel the obligation to give something to them in their desperation for attention. Now granted I've only met the band once after a gig, but it was as awkward as fuck. And I'm not only talking about my quick photo and hello but the whole scenario.

There needs to be a certain distance between fan and band in my opinion. Never meet your heroes and all that jazz. I love the music and the personas that they project as members of a rock band. And it's obviously amazing to see them play live. But I don't want or need them to see me.

I'm sure they are glad you are here to enlighten them. Seriously, why do you (and others) care, and why is it any of your business what other fans enjoy and want to do?

Futurologist · #**383** 18-12-2014, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.

I queue because I want to be in front of James and watch that talented man play guitar. Fuck me, it was a privilege to watch him do the solo on Donkeys.

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

News Flash: The band couldn't give a fcuk if you got the barrier for every gig.

I know. I'm not fucking deluded.

Finn · #**384** 18-12-2014, 21:21

I'll tell you the only thing that does my head in about all this: the myth of equality. The well-trundled out line that 'If you want it enough you'll be on the barrier. You just have to put in the time and effort'. Well I could camp out for a week and still not get there. I'd still get put in one of - literally - a handful of places that someone else chooses for me.

Now imagine that every gig.

hummingbird · #**385** 18-12-2014, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Europa Gluten Free

Loving all the queuers talking about the importance of having a good view or a place to put their stuff or them being short etc etc. The lolz!

The truth is the queuers believe that they have some sort of special connection with the band and it is their right to be as close to the band as possible because a) they deserve it and b) they think the band care.

News Flash: The band couldn't give a fcuk if you got the barrier for every gig. Wire doesn't care if its you or some other fangirl/fanboy. Wire only thinks in the $$$. If I was a pro musician who has been playing for 25 years I'd be a little bit embarrassed to have to see the same faces and feel the obligation to give something to them in their desperation for attention. Now granted I've only met the band once after a gig, but it was as awkward as fuck. And I'm not only talking about my quick photo and hello but the whole scenario.

There needs to be a certain distance between fan and band in my opinion. Never meet your heroes and all that jazz. I love the music and the personas that they project as members of a rock band. And it's obviously amazing to see them play live. But I don't want or need them to see me.

I'm a queuer and I couldn't give a flying fuck if the band noticed me or not. I have no need for them to know or remember my name. I aim for the barrier when i can because that's where i feel safest and where i don't have to worry about getting knocked over. If that means you think i'm an obsessed attention seeker go right ahead

Sandrine · #**386** 18-12-2014, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Takk

Seriously, why do you (and others) care, and why is it any of your business what other fans enjoy and want to do?

This. Exactly.

Abstract Unknown Girl · #**387** 18-12-2014, 21:29

People who queue really don't need to justify themselves; it's a completely personal choice. Why are some so threatened by the concept of it that they need to make ridiculous generalisations and snap judgements? Bizarre. Fans of loads of bands are hardcore queuers; look at Bruce Springsteen. When he opened Leeds Arena last year, fans were on the local news queuing for days before the gig. It's not a new phenomenon, so why it still comes up on here every tour, I've no idea. We all enjoy fandom in our own ways, one way isn't more right or valid than another.

Futurologist · #**388** 18-12-2014, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Finn

I'll tell you the only thing that does my head in about all this: the myth of equality. The well-trundled out line that 'If you want it enough you'll be on the barrier. You just have to put in the time and effort'. Well I could camp out for a week and still not get there. I'd still get put in one of - literally - a handful of places that someone else chooses for me.

Now imagine that every gig.

I feel very lucky that I can choose where to go, I know that the venues chosen had accessibility issues for those that were not able to perambulate stairs.

One person behind me that should have had some assistance and didn't get it a Manchester didn't feel safe enough to stay. I was very worried when I heard that she had to leave.

Anyway, I'm going to leave the queue drama thread to everybody else.

This time last night a small sweaty Welshman made me feel funny in my lady parts when he wore this.

Futurologist · #**389** 18-12-2014, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Abstract Unknown Girl

People who queue really don't need to justify themselves; it's a completely personal choice. Why are some so threatened by the concept of it that they need to make ridiculous generalisations and snap judgements? Bizarre. Fans of loads of bands are hardcore queuers; look at Bruce Springsteen. When he opened Leeds Arena last year, fans were on the local news queuing for days before the gig. It's not a new phenomenon, so why it still comes up on here every tour, I've no idea. We all enjoy fandom in our own ways, one way isn't more right or valid than another.

You speak much sense.

hummingbird · #**390** 18-12-2014, 21:33

thats what we need… a pic spam