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Old 10-07-2013, 21:33
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Because football fans are cunts and many of them aren't allowed at the matches, touting would mean they could get in. Of course it should be illegal in a broader sense but no free-market Tory government are going to introduce that.
That isn't the reason why touting football tickets is illegal btw.
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Old 10-07-2013, 21:42
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We managed to get tickets for London. Looking forward to it.

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I always buy standing (proper fan cred and all that) but whenever I get there I wonder why I don't go for seated...
So, does that mean people with an MSP gig tally of 60+ shows but who will be eight months pregnant at the time aren't 'proper fans' then?
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Old 10-07-2013, 21:46
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That isn't the reason why touting football tickets is illegal btw.
Well do elaborate, we're all sitting nicely.
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:17
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Because football fans are cunts and many of them aren't allowed at the matches.
Im a life long Liverpool supporter-can i be a cunt as well ???
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:18
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I'm told that my friend didn't actually manage to secure my ticket for Manchester due to Ticketmaster being big stupid doo-doo heads. However, I did book London and I've just booked Dublin. I always wanted to see Manics outside the UK and now I am! Bet I get the worst ferry or flight in history.
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:23
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Well do elaborate, we're all sitting nicely.
Touting of football tickets is illegal because:

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7.1 Legislation covering ticket touting applies to football matches because of the
unique importance of segregation in reducing the potential for increased friction and
disorder between rival fans. Ticket touting compromises this segregation, and for
overseas matches can increase the risk to supporters who obtain tickets
Full document is here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0070790_en.pdf

Nowhere does it say that "football fans are cunts." It mentions the "potential" for disorder. If it was included in a further piece of legislation, then you have my apologies, please cite?

Football "hooligans" represent a tiny minority of football fans.

I dispute that "many" fans are banned from attending matches as you claim.

This table indicates banning orders issued by club. Only 1 club clocks in at more than 10 fans per 1,000, and the vast majority are under 5 per 1,000. I don't know what dictionary you use, but mine wouldn't have that down as "many"



From the Home Office paper on football related violence for season 2011/12:

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Total attendance in excess of 37 million at regulated football matches. The total number of arrests represents less than 0.01% of the total, or 1
arrest for every 15,782 spectators.

No arrests at 74% of all regulated matches.
53% of all matches were police free – continuing to free up police resources to deal with local police and community priorities.
More than 100,000 English and Welsh club fans travelled to Champions League and Europa League matches outside of England and Wales.
These 47 matches resulted in just 27 arrests of away fans
Again, full document here: http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Uploads...20-%202012.pdf

This doesn't exactly suggest that your crass generalisation holds much water. In fact it suggests that most football fans are well behaved sorts who would like to enjoy the match.

Football matches are segregated by team (Fulham have a neutral stand, but that's largely by the by) for the benefit of the majority, (who could probably sit perfectly happily in the majority of games with supporters from other teams) from the threat of a minority. Again it's not because "football fans are cunts."

Also a number of football clubs sell tickets via viagogo, only to members, but it's not exactly the most rigorous of security checks to become a member.

There is no logic between football touting being illegal and ergo so should it be for gigs.
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:24
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Im a life long Liverpool supporter-can i be a cunt as well ???
Well hundreds of Liverpool supporters were in the Cardiff City end at Wembley for the Carling Cup Final which caused many nasty isssues so laws to prevent the sale of football tickets can easily be flouted. As a life time Cardiff City supporter I'm also so pleased I now have a new label thanks to Franny
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Good luck on Friday, I hope everyone gets the tickets they want.
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:51
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A great post Bathtub you have summed up that perfectly. Football has changed big time over the last 30 years. Cardiff City have a notorious football hooligan tag but last season only one Cardiff City fan was arrested at home out of 528,971 fans who watched us over 23 games.

Back to the main thread. Good luck to everyone for Friday. I also hope you get the tickets you want.
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:52
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Touting of football tickets is illegal because:

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7.1 Legislation covering ticket touting applies to football matches because of the unique importance of segregation in reducing the potential for increased friction and disorder between rival fans. Ticket touting compromises this segregation, and for overseas matches can increase the risk to supporters who obtain tickets
In which case, let's create some animosity between the James, Nicky and Sean fans and plead we absolutely can't have tickets touted because it will all kick off at the gigs if we're all mixed in together
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Old 10-07-2013, 23:03
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This will all get solved in the next decade or so, probably by disgusting biometrics. I'm not going to any of the gigs sadly, but at least I don't have to deal with the stress and hassle involved, good luck to all who embark upon it, hope you have a nice time.
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Old 11-07-2013, 00:23
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do youse reckon there'll still be tickets available later on friday? i'll probably be on a boat without internet access at 9:30am
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Old 11-07-2013, 00:41
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do youse reckon there'll still be tickets available later on friday? i'll probably be on a boat without internet access at 9:30am
Wouldn't surprise me if they sell quickly to fans and cunting touts. Ask a friend with Internet access that morning?
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Old 11-07-2013, 01:10
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Wouldn't surprise me if they sell quickly to fans and cunting touts. Ask a friend with Internet access that morning?
yeah better safe than sorry i suppose, i'd be gutted to end up without a ticket :O now to find someone who's not working and still willing to get up before 9:30AM haha
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:29
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Can we keep on topic please, a discussion of ticket touting in football, whilst interesting, is not really doing that .
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