SKON Predictionometer

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by TheGreatPretender

Personally, I think the Manics could do with a bit of a change in record company...might actually do them some good creatively if they don't feel pressured into producing tunes they think will appeal to a wider audience. Won't happen though because I believe they signed a long-term deal with Sony (the only way out would be if Sony were to buy them out of their contract which isn't likely given they still sell records in the UK).

As long as they're with a major like Sony, the typical Manics trend of one shit, throw away album followed by one that's far more visceral and creative, will continue.

I don't think PFAYM is a poor album - there's some real gems on that album - it's just not great in the same way that KYE wasn't great, but did have a few really top tunes. Unlike most of you, I couldnt care less how their singles fair; it's the quality of an album in it's entirety that makes a band/musician stand out for me especially when an artist has reached a stage in their career when they should be focusing on music that makes sense to them and not worrying about how many units they sell. If it's good, which we all know from previous endeavors by the band that they are more then capable of producing quality music, people will be drawn in as they have been in the past.

I don't think Postcards is a bad album either, it's mediocre for the most part but as you said has some great songs hidden within.

A change in management as well as record company would be good, independent promotion would hopefully improve then (see: the Manics internet site and mailing list failure).

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by everlasting

You just love the Manics, that's all. I understand this

I'm glad someone does. Everyone else thinks I'm a total crazy!

[starstruck]

Gutless Wonder

we have failed you. we know that, for some bizarre reason, you managed to persuade the band and Sony to release Some Kind Of Shit, a song so bad it isn't even the worst on the album (doesn't have Nicky on vocals, you see) as a single because it amused you greatly. many of us doubted the wisdom of you amusement, but we supported you all the same and bought it. sadly, just not enough of us.

i think the band have proved that, by releasing Some Kind Of Shit as a single, they actually can reach even more arse-headed levels of decision than they showed by not releasing 1985 as a single, and indeed by not having a single off JFPL. they go to some pretty elaborate and expensive lengths to show how much of a fuck they do not give, this band we love.

[wireintheblood]

Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

I'm glad someone does. Everyone else thinks I'm a total crazy!

You're not alone, as MJ once said

[Futurologist]

Gutless is Jedi!?

[The Gutless Wonder]

Thank you for trying anyway Lee!

[Dean V]

Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

I'm glad someone does. Everyone else thinks I'm a total crazy!

We all love some part of the Manics.*

It's just that criticism is part of being a big fan to most of us too. Blind love and faith will turn you into a Manson supporter.

*my choice is Sean's calves.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by shug

Gutless is Jedi!?

Am I???

[everlasting]

Hey, that's not fair, a lot of people have said that SKON is a good emotional song and should have been a single from the album.
Least be honest here, the band won't win over every single fan all the time with songs they make and release but hey, they're my favourite band and i personally don't hate any of their songs. I think SKON is beautiful. I can see why people don't relate to it or dig it but oh well.

[starstruck]

the problem with SKON, as much as some of you love it, is that nothing whatsoever about it says single or chart material. Postcards, Balconies, off the top of my head, they are songs people would hear on TV & the radio and go and buy. not an overproduced, confusing on first listen track like this.

[The Gutless Wonder]

Originally Posted by everlasting

Hey, that's not fair, a lot of people have said that SKON is a good emotional song and should have been a single from the album.
Least be honest here, the band won't win over every single fan all the time with songs they make and release but hey, they're my favourite band and i personally don't hate any of their songs. I think SKON is beautiful. I can see why people don't relate to it or dig it but oh well.

No point worrying about it. As long as you enjoy the song, that's what is important!

[Blue Cat]

Originally Posted by shug

Gutless is Jedi!?

where did that come from?
Although a lightsaber would be handy for getting to the front at gigs. No need for queueing, just *shwoooom*

Originally Posted by Dean V

We all love some part of the Manics.*

It's just that criticism is part of being a big fan to most of us too. Blind love and faith will turn you into a Manson supporter.

*my choice is Sean's calves.

I think you mean Mansun. Draper is clearly an evil bastard.

[The Gutless Wonder]

A lightsaber would be fabulous! 'Outta my way fanboys!'

[everlasting]

I do agree that Balconies would be have been a great ballsy killer kick arse single. It rocks and has two wicked solos in there. But like Imperial Bodybags, you can tell the band would never release it as a single for some reason.
But yeah Gutless, I love the song (SKON)

[Blue Cat]

I think you lightsabering half of the room might terrify the band into not going on stage though, so it may not be wise after all.