17/12/11 - 02 Arena, London Gig News - Page 51 - Forever Delayed

dolphin · #**751** 20-12-2011, 08:51

Adding to my earlier mail, Sean had more gear generally than usual and, as several have noticed, the faster stuff was played close to the original tempo rather than speeding it up which they tend to do.

This suggests to me that they were going for accuracy in sound and that a CD or DVD release is in the offing!

LoveMeToDeath · #**752** 20-12-2011, 09:24

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Originally Posted by dolphin

Adding to my earlier mail, Sean had more gear generally than usual and, as several have noticed, the faster stuff was played close to the original tempo rather than speeding it up which they tend to do.

This suggests to me that they were going for accuracy in sound and that a CD or DVD release is in the offing!

we can only hope, but there hasn't been any indications of it so far. There certainly was a few cameras but they were just for the big screens possibly

my friend also said that they usually put up notices to say that the gig is being filmed as they have to inform people of this, not sure if this is the case or not.There wasn't anything i saw about it anywhere unless it was on the ticket somwhere.

y2kyle16 · #**753** 20-12-2011, 09:38

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Originally Posted by LoveMeToDeath

we can only hope, but there hasn't been any indications of it so far. There certainly was a few cameras but they were just for the big screens possibly

my friend also said that they usually put up notices to say that the gig is being filmed as they have to inform people of this, not sure if this is the case or not.There wasn't anything i saw about it anywhere unless it was on the ticket somwhere.

Its always in the fine print on the back. By entering you agree to be filmed.

LoveMeToDeath · #**754** 20-12-2011, 09:55

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Originally Posted by y2kyle16

Its always in the fine print on the back. By entering you agree to be filmed.

thats what i thought happened nowadays, i didnt get much chance to study mt ticket as my friend had them and then they were whisked of us in return for a wrist band

JamesyEsquire · #**755** 20-12-2011, 09:58

If they had any modern business sense they would release this as an audio download for £5, amazes me that with so many labels/bands complaining about illegal downloads and not making enough money, the real problem is they just don't evolve. If the manics want to continue making music while also making some money from it, they need to follow the likes of NIN in how they approach new ways of making money from downloads.

Midlands_Junk · #**756** 20-12-2011, 10:20

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Originally Posted by dolphin

Has anyone noticed that Sean had an extra snare to the left of the hi-hat?

I wasn't watching him at the time but I wonder if he used it during Motorcycle Emptiness.

He uses it for La Tristessa.

darkanddivine · #**757** 20-12-2011, 10:34

A second snare is not unusual, though I couldn't see it from my vantage point. Often drummers have a "soft" and a "hard" sounding one for going between a soft verse and a rock chorus. The guy from Jimmy Eat World uses his 2 quite frequently.

beautifuldistortion · #**758** 20-12-2011, 10:54

Going back to a possible DVD release - judging by 'Leaving the 20th century' would there not of been some kind of interviews with fans at the venue?!
I know this is not essential and they didn't do it for the Cuba gig (for obvious reasons!) but it just seems a point worth making.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and they do release it, because it was in the top 3 gigs I've ever been too

LoveMeToDeath · #**759** 20-12-2011, 11:04

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Originally Posted by beautifuldistortion

Going back to a possible DVD release - judging by 'Leaving the 20th century' would there not of been some kind of interviews with fans at the venue?!
I know this is not essential and they didn't do it for the Cuba gig (for obvious reasons!) but it just seems a point worth making.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and they do release it, because it was in the top 3 gigs I've ever been too

there certainly didn't seem to be any other filming going on, i was ther all day and never noticed, the camera guys only came out to the cameras just as the gig started too and i would have thought there would have been filming of arena filling up etc

UEF · #**760** 20-12-2011, 11:13

I'd say the lack of any sort of overhead crane means there will be no DVD of this.

Abstract Unknown Girl · #**761** 20-12-2011, 11:17

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Originally Posted by beautifuldistortion

Going back to a possible DVD release - judging by 'Leaving the 20th century' would there not of been some kind of interviews with fans at the venue?!
I know this is not essential and they didn't do it for the Cuba gig (for obvious reasons!) but it just seems a point worth making.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and they do release it, because it was in the top 3 gigs I've ever been too

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Originally Posted by UEF

I'd say the lack of any sort of overhead crane means there will be no DVD of this.

Yep, everything points towards this not being filmed for DVD release as far as I can see. I was at the Royal Albert Hall a couple of years ago when The Killers filmed their DVD and there were camera crews around all day interviewing fans etc and there were cranes during the gig. It all just seemed to be recorded for the big screens on Saturday.

hummingbird · #**762** 20-12-2011, 11:21

Didnt someone say that nicky said filming was too expensive?

JamesyEsquire · #**763** 20-12-2011, 11:34

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Originally Posted by hummingbird

Didnt someone say that nicky said filming was too expensive?

He needs to have a word with Louis C.K

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/...ogle_news_blog

Ben · #**764** 20-12-2011, 11:41

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Originally Posted by dolphin

This suggests to me that they were going for accuracy in sound and that a CD or DVD release is in the offing!

I don't really see how those two things are connected, to be honest. They didn't seem especially concerned with "accuracy in the sound" on previous DVD's (quite rightly too; I don't want to hear the songs played live exactly as they are on record).

I really doubt a DVD will be released. As has been mentioned above, there are usually big, additional signs saying that the event is being filmed and there would be a more gear etc.

deadmartyr · #**765** 20-12-2011, 11:45

It was a good show and it looked great at times (would've appreciated that more if I was further back), but it would've worked better for me if it was more of a more standalone event, rather than being so soon after the end of PFAYM (or the extended end of that campaign).

It was like the Cardiff Arena show with a bit more, with the rare outings being the kind of songs that should've been played on the PFAYM tours. Found That Soul didn't have the bite it did 6 years ago, but still sounded great and was my favourite of the lot as I adore the song so much. I can't see that they didn't find FTS enjoyable to play, and the crowd seemed to love it. I felt a little bit emotional when This Is The Day played too - such an event with all of that history playing in the background made me feel like I never have at an MSP gig.

I'll have to hear it again, but I didn't think Empty Souls sounded any different to when it was played live around Lifeblood, lacking the pace of at IOW 2004.

More guests singing on a few more songs would've been welcome too, especially on the regular songs. Really pleased for them that they pulled it off though, and that despite not being one of the popular bands in a markedly different chart scape, they had that many people there to see them. I couldn't have handled any more than 38 songs myself, as I was completely drained by Motown Junk; my back is still aching now.

Nice to meet theb00radley there too.

Some pics below, the rest are here: