Will No Manifesto appear ever?

[Nature's Discontent]

Sorry if this is too prying, but about how much in the way of funding do they still need? I was just thinking about maybe setting up a donation page or something.

[Bryter Layter]

Originally Posted by tzb

Sorry to be pessimistic, but realistically how could a doc made 5, 6 years ago during one of the least interesting periods of the band's history make money? Please just host it somewhere on the web and let the fans watch it. I know it's been a labour of love but surely it's better it gets seen.

I don't think that's the issue though. Based on what I've read in the other thread it would seem that the film is in limbo because Sony backed out of a deal they made with the film makers over music licensing. Even if they wanted to stream it online they couldn't becuase they don't have the rights to use the tunes.

Also, I think the film makers included more current footage from their 2009 trip to NYC.

A few members of this forum were given a sneak peak at the film last year and they all had really great things to say about it so that sounds promising given how picky Manics fans can be.

[Takk]

Yeah. Least interesting is a matter of opinion anyway...it focuses more on the fans and the whole history of the band than just that era, plus it is rather different and more interesting than most standard documentaries. Sadly some of it is going to get a little less relevant with time, but it does include some JFPL stuff at the end. I believe they had a lot of live material from the PPF tour too.

[exopotamie]

Originally Posted by Bryter Layter

I don't think that's the issue though. Based on what I've read in the other thread it would seem that the film is in limbo because Sony backed out of a deal they made with the film makers over music licensing. Even if they wanted to stream it online they couldn't becuase they don't have the rights to use the tunes.

Also, I think the film makers included more current footage from their 2009 trip to NYC.

A few members of this forum were given a sneak peak at the film last year and they all had really great things to say about it so that sounds promising given how picky Manics fans can be.

AFAIK, that's where the film stood the last time I knew. It's really a shame.

I was one of the lucky few to see the screening and I can confirm it was wonderful!

[Takk]

Originally Posted by Nature's Discontent

Sorry if this is too prying, but about how much in the way of funding do they still need? I was just thinking about maybe setting up a donation page or something.

I don't think anyone here knows, but that wasn't an option they were considering.

[tzb]

Originally Posted by Bryter Layter

I don't think that's the issue though. Based on what I've read in the other thread it would seem that the film is in limbo because Sony backed out of a deal they made with the film makers over music licensing. Even if they wanted to stream it online they couldn't becuase they don't have the rights to use the tunes.

Yes, I realise this is the problem given the approach they've sought for years - but given we're about 8 fora up from an excellent example of large numbers of fans downloading material which circumvents the whole business of music licensing, you'd think there would be several ways around this issue.

None of my business of course, just my opinion.

[Takk]

Well, I can think of several reasons why there'd be a difference between streaming this and a bootleg, can't you? Not least, it would be pretty obvious to Sony who to go after should they want to. Secondly, a large amount of time and money has been invested in this thing already, and as much as we want to see it, it's someone's livelihood as well.

[tzb]

No, I didn't say it was the same situation as with a bootleg, of course it isn't. I meant there are plenty of "release strategies" which aren't a Sony-sanctioned DVD or similar. Would Sony actively try and shut such a thing down? I see it as potentially very cheap (/free) promotion for a Sony band. You say it's someone's livelihood and fair enough they want a return on their investment - but is its never being released in any form really preferable?

[Takk]

Originally Posted by tzb

No, I didn't say it was the same situation as with a bootleg, of course it isn't. I meant there are plenty of "release strategies" which aren't a Sony-sanctioned DVD or similar. Would Sony actively try and shut such a thing down? I see it as potentially very cheap (/free) promotion for a Sony band. You say it's someone's livelihood and fair enough they want a return on their investment - but is its never being released in any form really preferable?

Well, definitely no return on their considerable outcomes and investment probably doesn't look any more attractive than no release, I would have thought. I don't know, but I would imagine they are still perusing some strategy to get it out there. If the block to being released is sony not allowing the music rights, then I would think sony would be quite annoyed if they did put it online for free.

[tzb]

Why? I could upload a video to Youtube with a Manics track playing in the background now. Youtube would match the content and add a link to buy the track and nothing more would be said about it. Surely the block is more likely to be the fact they want to use Sony-owned material to make money themselves?

[Takk]

Well, that seems to be rather different. I was more thinking that sony would know who made this. Besides, you would still need the rights to give it away free legally. It all seems rather academic anyway, we don't have any right to expect them to give us this for free when it cost them a lot of money to produce.

[Midlands_Junk]

Sony's greed will mean that we'll never see it. Which is ridiculous, because if it was released around the time of PFAYM or National Treasures, it would have stirred up quite a lot of hype and proven an incredibly powerful promotional tool.
But yeah, we'll never see it. It will go down in Manics folklore as a lost treasure, which is a terrible shame.

[tzb]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well, that seems to be rather different. I was more thinking that sony would know who made this. Besides, you would still need the rights to give it away free legally. It all seems rather academic anyway, we don't have any right to expect them to give us this for free when it cost them a lot of money to produce.

Who's expecting anything?

Sony could easily tell Youtube that any matched Sony content must be blocked, but they choose not to - so the "who made it" thing seems to be largely irrelevant to Sony. They're licensing their music freely, in huge numbers, on the basis it's not being used to make money (by anyone other than Youtube and their advertisers).

The difficulty presumably is whatever basis they were allowed to film the band on in the first place (if there was a contractual basis to this etc). But there's no harm in hoping.

Originally Posted by Midlands_Junk

Sony's greed will mean that we'll never see it. Which is ridiculous, because if it was released around the time of PFAYM or National Treasures, it would have stirred up quite a lot of hype and proven an incredibly powerful promotional tool.
But yeah, we'll never see it. It will go down in Manics folklore as a lost treasure, which is a terrible shame.

I agree. I think if Sony were interested in sanctioning a release at all now they would've done so to coincide with NT. And yeah, it would be a terrible waste for it not to get out in some form, which is why I think a free release, however limited, is surely better than no release.

[Europa Gluten Free]

I have a feeling that it has not leaked in any shape or form because, quite frankly, its a bit shit.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by proevpete

I have a feeling that it has not leaked in any shape or form because, quite frankly, its a bit shit.

Lol, an informed opinion there.