MSP - What now??? - Page 6 - Forever Delayed

Siouxsie Sway · #76 15-12-2010, 21:17

continue as usual. I'll love'em forever! <3 and I'll buy every album they'll (possibly, hopefully) make!

Beat Poet · #77 15-12-2010, 21:30

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Originally Posted by centralscrutiniser

That's all that was on THB anniversary edition wasn't it? Some Reading, some Glasto?

Yeah, forgot about that, proves my point! I'm not aware if cameras were used for video screens back on the Truth arena tour, but they were on the GH tour in selected venues . . . they're about the only non-festival/TV/session gigs I can't think of that were filmed.

River Boy · #78 15-12-2010, 21:31

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Originally Posted by starfucker

But you imply by your previous post that working for minimum wage in B&Q is middle class? Hence, bollocks.

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

Our working class industries are dead!

Takk · #79 15-12-2010, 21:37

Some people do spend their lives working in shops though...not everyone is just on 'work experience'.

Dean V · #80 15-12-2010, 22:09

I find the best way to describe working class is that if you have to work to keep your lifestyle as it is, then you are working class, because you have to work week in-week out to maintain that. No bullshit "I was born working class, now I'm a millionaire who spends a lot randomly!" Wire stuff.

centralscrutiniser · #81 15-12-2010, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Beat Poet

Yeah, forgot about that, proves my point! I'm not aware if cameras were used for video screens back on the Truth arena tour, but they were on the GH tour in selected venues . . . they're about the only non-festival/TV/session gigs I can't think of that were filmed.

It is hard to see where some contemporary footage might appear from for a Truth anniversary issue though. And I'm assuming they didn't have a camera follow them around for the making the album feature. I can't see them doing it, but Bruce put a 2009 version of a full Darkness concert on The Promise. Maybe they'd play the album through sometime in 2011 for inclusion? Pigs might fly too, but still.

Vancouver · #82 16-12-2010, 04:47

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Originally Posted by MSPKYE

- Go away for a year or so
- Let Nicky do another solo record (doubt James would do another one)
- Drop this 'there are only 2 versions of the band' crap and start making interesting music again like the There By The Grace Of God Bsides and Forever Delayed.
- Release Truth and KYE deluxe editions, maybe a second compilation around the end of the year.
- Actually go back and learn more of the back catelogue, spend some proper time actually revisiting alot more of it (even if they actually hate some of the songs) and getting them to a stadard that they'll work live, even Lifeblood era songs.

YES TO ALL OF THIS

oliver1975 · #83 16-12-2010, 06:59

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Originally Posted by Takk

Some people do spend their lives working in shops though...not everyone is just on 'work experience'.

Completely agree - and anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to go to my home town in West Wales.

Littlesue · #84 16-12-2010, 07:32

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Originally Posted by River Boy

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

Our working class industries are dead!

Lol, and I'm the YTS girl??

centralscrutiniser · #85 16-12-2010, 08:42

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Originally Posted by River Boy

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

Our working class industries are dead!

I was in B and Q last night. I fought the urge to announce to the (generally middle aged in appearance) workforce 'don't worry, your work experience will soon be over. You can all start your real jobs before long'.

gladstone · #86 16-12-2010, 09:04

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Originally Posted by River Boy

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

Our working class industries are dead!

I think you're confused. Certain manufacturing industries have gone downhill in this country but that doesnt mean the working class no longer exists it just means we spend more time in offices then in factories.

Midlands_Junk · #87 16-12-2010, 09:44

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Originally Posted by River Boy

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

Yes they do. What planet do you live on? My mother has been working in B & Q for a number of years. She hasn't been there since she was 18 as she has done a number of things and does catering on the side. But a great many of the people she works with have been there for much of their working lives and will probably continue to do so for years to come. There are men and women there nearing the age of retirement and that sort of work is all they have ever known.

Similarly I worked in TK Maxx whilst a student and many of my colleagues were in their early forties having worked there for about a decade on the same pay as I was with no real hope 'climbing the class ladder' as you seem to believe everyone is destined to do.

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Originally Posted by River Boy

Our working class industries are dead!

No they aren't, they have just transformed. Countless people work in retail on low pay and will do so for the majority of their lives because they have no choice.

River Boy · #88 16-12-2010, 11:21

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Originally Posted by gladstone

I think you're confused. Certain manufacturing industries have gone downhill in this country but that doesnt mean the working class no longer exists it just means we spend more time in offices then in factories.

Office jobs are middle class professions. Look around you once a week when the cleaners come to hoover about, they're the remnants of the working classes and most of them are immigrants because the British are too snobby now to do those jobs.

I know these are generalisations but compared to how we used to think of the class structure things have changed completely.

MrsCarbohydrate · #89 16-12-2010, 11:38

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Originally Posted by River Boy

But people who work at B&Q on minimum wage - and I'm sure there must be one or two exceptions - don't do it from 18 years of age until retirement. What you're more or less refering to there is work experience - the jobs people take when they're on the way to middle class professions.

This is total fucking bollocks, and quite offensive as well.

centralscrutiniser · #90 16-12-2010, 11:42

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Originally Posted by River Boy

Office jobs are middle class professions. Look around you once a week when the cleaners come to hoover about, they're the remnants of the working classes and most of them are immigrants because the British are too snobby now to do those jobs.

I know these are generalisations but compared to how we used to think of the class structure things have changed completely.

An admin assistant on £12k per year doing the photocopying is middle class, but a plumber earning £60k (and working his or her knackers off doing it) is working class?