Greatest Hits Tour + New Book - End of this year

[sculptureofabloke]

Originally Posted by Takk

but it's ok to have a go for people for being negative?

I thought m0drnmoonlight made some good points, particularly this:

Originally Posted by m0drnmoonlight

Every concert I've been to, the setlist was always "biggest hits + stuff from the new album being promoted." Only exception was The Who and Ray Davies, as they both didn't have any new material they were promoting at the time. So those truly were greatest hits tours heh. But they still sounded brilliant and that's what matters!

I don't think there are that many bands who people can reasonably expect anything but that from. I'd be happy with that from any band, any rarities is a bonus. I suppose it goes with the territory really, the more you like/liked someone the higher the expectations, which I suppose can be quite likely to lead to disappointment and that's not for me. I just think they get more criticism than they deserve, I don't see what's arrogant about thinking that. Bringing up "Blind worship" is different.

Originally Posted by NasalScarecrow

Going back to a potential American and Canadian tour again, I think a decent move would be to get themselves booked to open up for a bigger rock band, get some exposure.

They should've tried to get on the bill for Coachella or SXSW by now, at least.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by sculptureofabloke

I thought m0drnmoonlight made some good points, particularly this:


I don't think there are that many bands who people can reasonably expect anything but that from. I'd be happy with that from any band, any rarities is a bonus. I suppose it goes with the territory really, the more you like/liked someone the higher the expectations, which I suppose can be quite likely to lead to disappointment and that's not for me. I just think they get more criticism than they deserve, I don't see what's arrogant about thinking that. Bringing up "Blind worship" is different.



They should've tried to get on the bill for Coachella or SXSW by now, at least.

Well, I think labelling us as 'ungrateful and demanding little shits' is pretty arrogant and devaluing personal taste, if such a thing is such a bad thing. My point about blind worship is that criticism is a good thing for any kind of art, just saying 'well I love everything they do' is not very interesting, nor helpful for development. But thats pretty obviously my opinion, i'm not devaluing anyones personal taste - they don't have to take my opinion on board.

Clearly all bands play their latest stuff and their hits, but that's not generally the gripe people have with the band, so I'm kinda surprised people are still arguing against that or still implying people should stop arguing that they drop the hits. Nor do I think using the typical North American fan experience as the baseline for a good gig is really relevant for a uk gig experience....someone else is always gonna have it worse off. For some people, the fact they are still playing is enough, for others, they want to hear something different and it's not enough. Besides, I think when you love something and you feel part of it, you are more likely to be critical than you would accept outsiders being - it's like family.

[Bryter Layter]

Originally Posted by NasalScarecrow

Going back to a potential American and Canadian tour again, I think a decent move would be to get themselves booked to open up for a bigger rock band, get some exposure.

Nah, that would require effort.

Originally Posted by sculptureofabloke

They should've tried to get on the bill for Coachella or SXSW by now, at least.

Forget SXSW, NXNE is where it's at these days.

Actually, all of the geographic shows that take place in N America aren't festivals in the traditional sense...they're basically several one-off club gigs around certain cities for music fans. The primary function of these events however is to act as a showcase for record labels as well as the music press.

[sculptureofabloke]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well, I think labelling us as 'ungrateful and demanding little shits' is pretty arrogant and devaluing personal taste, if such a thing is such a bad thing. My point about blind worship is that criticism is a good thing for any kind of art, just saying 'well I love everything they do' is not very interesting, nor helpful for development. But thats pretty obviously my opinion, i'm not devaluing anyones personal taste - they don't have to take my opinion on board.

Clearly all bands play their latest stuff and their hits, but that's not generally the gripe people have with the band, so I'm kinda surprised people are still arguing against that or still implying people should stop arguing that they drop the hits. Nor do I think using the typical North American fan experience as the baseline for a good gig is really relevant for a uk gig experience....someone else is always gonna have it worse off. For some people, the fact they are still playing is enough, for others, they want to hear something different and it's not enough. Besides, I think when you love something and you feel part of it, you are more likely to be critical than you would accept outsiders being - it's like family.

Nearly missed the edit there.

Really don't get where you're coming from calling me arrogant though. Yeah, maybe it was over the top, but I don't see how that could be devaluing personal taste. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, I know "I like everything" isn't very interesting but I thought with you bringing up "blind worship", that's effectively saying "well, you might think you like that, but you don't".

The bit I highlighted wasn't specifically about Manics gigs but about gigs in general. I suppose that was a mistake, cos they're not an average band to me. Although I can understand it to an extent why people would, I think it's wrong to have expectations over them that you wouldn't have for other bands.

[Takk]

Originally Posted by sculptureofabloke

Although I can understand it to an extent why people would, I think it's wrong to have expectations over them that you wouldn't have for other bands.

I guess it's because they aren't just another band, which is a good thing!

[sculptureofabloke]

Originally Posted by Takk

I guess it's because they aren't just another band, which is a good thing!

True. Well, I'll stick to my mediocre expectations anyway.

[Matt_o_Mac]

Originally Posted by counterlanguage

Could be a Suede style 'best of' - that was 2CDs and lots of albums tracks.

They've got to do a DVD with commentary, as I've said for a long time.

The Suede DVD one is funny for the moaning they do about Stay Together.

[Cara cathau]

Originally Posted by Son of Stopped

And now for the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM...

So does this mean we'll be seeing "No Manifesto" released as well?
(Don't answer Elizabeth! I know you are being held at gunpoint to keep quiet about it!)

Excellent idea -- Why not release a "No Manifesto" DVD with the Greatest Hits CD? Or have two CDs (along the lines others have suggested) and the "No Manifesto" DVD as a package? You know -- IF Elizabeth can wrangle her way through all the red tape -- maybe Sony might loosen up a bit if they thought they'd be making some money from "No Manifesto's" release ( increased sales of the CD because of the DVD).

Of course, that wouldn't help us much here in North America, since we can't play UK dvds, and, of course, they probably wouldn't come to tour here because I'm pretty sure they must have lost money last time. But I would LOVE to see them at least one more time. They can sing whatever they like -- as long as they come to Canada once more before 2019 (when it would be another decade without them).

[purity]

Originally Posted by tzb

I've not been to the last few tours, but is it still 50 points for hitting him square in the forehead with a box of lemsip?

pmsl !!!!

[tzb]

Originally Posted by sculptureofabloke

Course it's two parties engaging in a transaction for a service, yet the majority of the complaints come from people who've been to see them loads of times so must have a decent idea of what kind of service they'll be getting. If it's that bad, why bother?

For my part, I no longer do. My moans come from a fingers burnt perspective and I won't be seeing them live again. Having had your pride and love of a band thoroughly beaten out of you, there's a feeling of obligation to those who are just coming to the band not to put too much faith in their words, and look a little more closely at their actions

[Tom]

Originally Posted by tzb

For my part, I no longer do. My moans come from a fingers burnt perspective and I won't be seeing them live again. Having had your pride and love of a band thoroughly beaten out of you, there's a feeling of obligation to those who are just coming to the band not to put too much faith in their words, and look a little more closely at their actions

Aren't you being a wee bit melodramatic?

[strongerthanmensa]

Originally Posted by Tom

Aren't you being a wee bit melodramatic?

Don't cry for me. I'm already dead....

[tzb]

[Midlands_Junk]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well, I think labelling us as 'ungrateful and demanding little shits' is pretty arrogant and devaluing personal taste, if such a thing is such a bad thing. My point about blind worship is that criticism is a good thing for any kind of art, just saying 'well I love everything they do' is not very interesting, nor helpful for development. But thats pretty obviously my opinion, i'm not devaluing anyones personal taste - they don't have to take my opinion on board.

Clearly all bands play their latest stuff and their hits, but that's not generally the gripe people have with the band, so I'm kinda surprised people are still arguing against that or still implying people should stop arguing that they drop the hits. Nor do I think using the typical North American fan experience as the baseline for a good gig is really relevant for a uk gig experience....someone else is always gonna have it worse off. For some people, the fact they are still playing is enough, for others, they want to hear something different and it's not enough. Besides, I think when you love something and you feel part of it, you are more likely to be critical than you would accept outsiders being - it's like family.

If I had an Easter Egg, I'd give it to you. Very well said indeed, sir.

[m0drnmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Takk

Well, I think labelling us as 'ungrateful and demanding little shits' is pretty arrogant and devaluing personal taste, if such a thing is such a bad thing. My point about blind worship is that criticism is a good thing for any kind of art, just saying 'well I love everything they do' is not very interesting, nor helpful for development. But thats pretty obviously my opinion, i'm not devaluing anyones personal taste - they don't have to take my opinion on board.

Clearly all bands play their latest stuff and their hits, but that's not generally the gripe people have with the band, so I'm kinda surprised people are still arguing against that or still implying people should stop arguing that they drop the hits. Nor do I think using the typical North American fan experience as the baseline for a good gig is really relevant for a uk gig experience....someone else is always gonna have it worse off. For some people, the fact they are still playing is enough, for others, they want to hear something different and it's not enough. Besides, I think when you love something and you feel part of it, you are more likely to be critical than you would accept outsiders being - it's like family.

I see what you mean and I agree. And I didn't realize there's differences between seeing a show here and seeing one in the UK so I stand corrected

There's always room for criticism - like you said, it's good to love an act but at the same time, be able to laugh at the ridiculous things and complain when the need comes up. Because I agree - I'd love to see them take Autumnsong out of rotation because it's so boring and put something better in its place (like Archives of Pain, but I have no idea how that works live lol). But I don't know what their line of thinking is, and I can't think of any act that really strays from the "hits + new tracks" setlist.

Maybe it's just because I've never seen them live before that it doesn't bother me. It has to be frustrating if you go back on each tour and they're playing the same stuff.