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Ranking of the latter-day albums: TUVL, EIE, RIF, F, RTF?
And yes we're counting EIE as a Manics album for the purposes of this. For me it'd be RTF EIE TUVL F RIF All good shows though, it's been a good run.
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I think this album has killed my interest in the band, in the way SATT did. Just had absolutely no desire to listen to them since it came out. Glad everyone else seems to be loving it, just wish I could hear what it is you're all finding in it.
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EIE RTF F RIF I have recently finally got Phonak Nathos hearing aids. Still haven't been listening to much of them or others. |
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EIE
TUVL RIF RTF F I've been listening to the album a lot, particularly the last few songs since release with a slight gap between Christmas and this week, where I've started listening to it again. It's a brilliant album and the best since JFPL (except EIE which is just on another level overall).
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Even In Exile is a masterpiece. I think it’s above all Manics albums in last 20 years.
But from others, I never got while Resistance is Futile is so low on everyone’s lists. For me it would be Futurology, with Rewind The Film slightly above. And they’re e both really good albums. Then the Ultra Vivid Lament and the beat one being RIF. |
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And it works very well on vinyl. Two equally strong sides. James’ voice is great (though the harmonies/Melodie’s were better in even in exile). Lyrics not bad at all. Maybe give it a few more listens? Not sure why it’s not clicking with you - but it also has has to do with where you are right now, in your life. |
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It's a near perfect album. The only change I would have made is by swapping Santiago Sunrise with Verses Echo With Tear Flow (which would have been the second best song on the album) because I much prefer the demo version of Santiago Sunrise and also those big dramatic build up sections in the song just end in total anti climax for me.
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Verses Echo is class but so is Santiago Sunrise so that has to stay
There’ll Come A War is the weakest song on the album so VEWT replaces that |
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Wow, verses echo is great. Hadn't heard it. Just the highlight the end of the album needs. I like EIE but I'm not quite on the "masterpiece", "best manics album in 20 years" train -- the second half after 30 Thousand Milk Bottles hasn't clicked for me yet. I'm also uncomfortable with the instrumental-song-instrumental structure (Seeking A Room - 30 Thousand -- Under A Mimosa Tree.) Seems like a weird instrumental overflow there...
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I suppose I should give EIE a go at some point, thinking about it. I didn't like the singles at all so never even bothered with the album. |
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And anyway, you're forgetting helen rosser davies on exile.
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Of course there were female backing vocals and Wayne Murray backing vocals on EIE but there were tracks on his solo album that had very thick and strong harmonies like La Partida that was all JDB. The backing vocals on JFPL are okay but you can tell they're not layered and JDB isn't part of the harmony stack. No idea how the hell that's considered sexist.
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I purposely didn't use that word but you have to admit that typing a statement saying the album can't have as good backing vocals because they are sung by a woman does have the whiff of misogyny about it. I'm really not sure what the rest of your post has to do with anything but if you're saying that the tuvl backing vocals lack of james lets it down compared to exile then fair enough but i thought you could have phrased it way better.
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