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09-05-2017, 18:54
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What is 'She' in 'She is suffering'.
Well, as stated above.
Is 'She' meant to be 'beauty'? Thanks for thinking with me 
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09-05-2017, 19:07
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Think I read somewhere it was meant to be desire ?
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09-05-2017, 21:09
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09-05-2017, 22:22
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I think it could mean nature is suffering though not just a person, but might also be an animal or other forms of life. Perhaps Richey might also mean humans are more narcissistic though as one of the lesser sins of the bible.
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10-05-2017, 00:18
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Richey wrote that he (or rather she) referred to desire. The idea that only by ridding yourself of all desire can you find truth and peace. The Buddhist idea
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10-05-2017, 17:58
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"There is a pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more," - Byron 'I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.' (from Sea Fever - John Masefield) "Hope is the thing with feathers That perches in the soul And sings the tune without the words And never stops at all" - Emily Dickinson
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10-05-2017, 21:03
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[QUOTE=raven;2665446]Maybe desire corrupts our nature? It's very influenced by William Blake's Songs of Innocence & Experience....especially The Sick Rose...if you're familiar? I was studying that back at the time so it appealed very much though I know it's not usually picked as a particular favourite ....[QUOTE]
I think desire corrupts nature in positive and detrimental ways though possibly Richey was also connecting corruption with religion in THB. Rather than the point of gender and feminism in 'she is suffering' he outlines desire, vanity and corruption to nature, which seems a bit like William Blake's songs of Innocence and experience. They are also synonymous with psalms of suffering in the bible. U2 named their last album on the poems, which was criticised. I love that Richey's words have so many different ways to analyse, as I don't think there's one actual way of defining his songs. Last edited by rosetree; 10-05-2017 at 21:09.
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10-05-2017, 21:12
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I'd check this out on manics.nl but alas, the way of all flesh -- does anyone here remember who the quote on the us mix of She Is Suffering belonged to, who said it in the clip, and what it was
1) it is possible to achieve the aim without suffering 2) it is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering ??
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11-05-2017, 12:02
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11-05-2017, 20:32
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[QUOTE=rosetree;2665458][QUOTE=raven;2665446]Maybe desire corrupts our nature? It's very influenced by William Blake's Songs of Innocence & Experience....especially The Sick Rose...if you're familiar? I was studying that back at the time so it appealed very much though I know it's not usually picked as a particular favourite ....
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At heart I still feel is the Buddhist idea....indeed the idea central to many religions but an actual tenet of Buddhism that to desire is to suffer as more often than not our desires are not or cannot be sated and may stem from greed or hate or ignorance and so to be free from our desires is to be free from suffering to see our desires for what they are and let them go is to arrive at truth Blake's poem is brought to mind especially in the line a flower attracting lust vice and sin...what is innocent....beauty or sex is corrupted in part by society or even the church's attitudes towards it....a recurring theme of Richey's seemed to be adulthood corrupting the innocence and curiosity and joy of childhood The significance of desire being a she.....more scope for discussion though suffering is often seen as a feminine trait
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"There is a pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more," - Byron 'I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.' (from Sea Fever - John Masefield) "Hope is the thing with feathers That perches in the soul And sings the tune without the words And never stops at all" - Emily Dickinson
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12-05-2017, 00:24
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[QUOTE=raven;2665474][QUOTE=rosetree;2665458]
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I think Buddism seems a less harmful religion as it's concern with clearing the psyche, than forcing a belief. Though it's belief that desire is to suffer may apply in different levels. Though I meant desire interacts rather than corrupts nature in a positive way, like natural desires and need for natural source and places, uplifting the psyche that are not concerned with suffering. Though if Buddism practice clears all of desire and puts something unfamiliar in place, it seems like corruption, even though the ideas are in clearing desire in greed and hate in society and where Richey draws the point to corruption of his innocence. It does seem that men turn to Buddism and become Monks more than women though, perhaps to repent more. It could also be a reason he says She is suffering because there is more to say on femininity aspects of suffering and need. Last edited by rosetree; 12-05-2017 at 00:27.
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